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So i have been wondering if Typhus, Khârn, Lucius, Ahriman and Abaddon had to brawl it out who i would win i was originally only going to have the four dedicated champions but i added Abaddon because we all need cannon fodder occasionally.

So here's the scenario (This is purely to end all the stupid well it depends on the circumstances arguments) there is an all enclosed impenetrable five pointed star with a strong connection to the warp a champion in each corner its a straight up fight to the death last man standing wins.

Any after death abilities that would allow a champion to kill his enemies such as Lucius coming back from the dead by absorbing his killers body doesn't count or this would be endless.

Personally i think Typhus would win as he would whittle every one down constantly with the destroyer hive and his terminator armor would shrug off physical damage everyone else can dish out while he steadily crushes everyone with the manreaper.

So who do you guys think would win?

Kharn or Abadon

Ahriman would boil their minds

Who ever wins this brawl doesn't really win....if the other 4 die then Imperium wins.

Hmm. You are seriously under estimating abbaddon, he is literally as far from cannon fodder as you can get, that guy is a monster

Can they shoot or is it purely a hand to hand contest?
If the latter probably Kharn.

Still vote Ahriman though - mindblast > some super sword

 Ratius wrote:
Can they shoot or is it purely a hand to hand contest?
If the latter probably Kharn.

Still vote Ahriman though - mindblast > some super sword

Psykers dont have a chance against Kharn, The blessing of Khorne makes him immune to such things as mindblast.

If Kharn can get to Ahriman before Abbadon gets to Kharn, then Abby wins. If Abbadon hits Kharn while Ahrimans alive, Ahriman wins. This is basically Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock, because each of the 5 has a counter amongst the others

Abaddon.

He is marked by all the Gods, with the benefits that involves.
He's a monster in combat, with a fearsome array of weapons.

Lucius, he gets second place and the winner turns into him.

Psykers dont have a chance against Kharn, The blessing of Khorne makes him immune to such things as mindblast.

But thats rules no?

Is this hypothetical based on pure fluff or pure rules or a mix?

Lucius, he gets second place and the winner turns into him.

Any after death abilities that would allow a champion to kill his enemies such as Lucius coming back from the dead

Ahriman single handily kills everyone by himself.

The only variable I'm uncertain about is how much Khorne will protect Kharn from psyker powers. If he protects him, he'll win after Ahriman kills everyone else.

it is obvious abadon if the other gods would work together for him than you know they would not support them against abadon if you take away all there gifts then abadon would win he was better before the heresy anyway

It all really depends on the order they kill each other in. Ahriman can't harm Kharn because Kharn has psychic protection (from Khorne), but if someone kills Kharn before Kharn can kill Ahriman then Ahriman will win.

I feel like in a pure hand-to-hand fight it would come down to Abby and Kharn dueling it out, and at that point it depends on who gets the first hits off, what weapon the hit is from, etc.

In your prediction, also remember Typhus isn't the only one with Term armor there. That, and others have weapons that are designed to kill Term armored opponents

Lucius would win.
If abbadon killed him
Abbadon: MUHHAHAHA FOR THE DARK GODS. Noo I'm turning bald wait I only have a pony tail anyways.
Ahriman I'm slightly unsure but probably
Ahriman: I'll just cast a spell to stop it happening *dooms whole legion again* god damnit :/
Typhus would um well I suppose he would i just can't imagine it
And kharn... Well no he would take no satisfaction at all I mean its not like he's all about killing right? oh wait..

I would go with Kharn.

Because Kharn.

Abby cause he has all four of the god's backing him up.

Lucius only transforms his killers through a gift of slanesh, this could theoretically be trumped by other gods or a figure who has favour with slanesh. So we can't really predict how Lucius' gifts will be affected against the others. Abbadon has favour with all of the pantheon, Ahriman probably has strong enough psychic defences to resist a possesion. Kharn is probably similarly possesion proof. Plus does It work if lucius is gunned down?

Well, I see no reason why any of the gods would support abbadon (why help the one they have to share?) against their own champions.

 jifel wrote:
If Kharn can get to Ahriman before Abbadon gets to Kharn, then Abby wins. If Abbadon hits Kharn while Ahrimans alive, Ahriman wins. This is basically Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock, because each of the 5 has a counter amongst the others

Also it's a good math problem like truel - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truel

So my money on the Ahriman - others are by definition suck at math

 Trondheim wrote:
Psykers dont have a chance against Kharn, The blessing of Khorne makes him immune to such things as mindblast.

That's something of a no-limit fallacy, Kharn has been affected by psychic powers in the fluff, it took a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh to do it, and it wasn't wholly successful, but it happened.

Ahriman is the most powerful Space Marine psyker in all likelihood, and considering the Warp is apparently thick in this arena...

It depends on how long it takes him to summon a Warp Leviathan, if he can manage that feat, he easily kills the others, lol.

Kharn: Im immune to your powers, pansy witch!
Ahriman: Oh really?
*Opens up a massive pit in the earth to swallow Kharn*
Ahriman: Denny that B*tch!

Powers have to effect Kharn directly for Kharn to ignore them. So alternitivly Ahriman can just mind throw typhus on top of Kharn to squash him. Psykic>Sword Smart>Strength

I reckon Kharn.


Lucius loses to Kharn, plain and simple, as Kharn just batters his way through any skillful defense, kicks the gak out of everything he can lay Chainaxe on and then just walks on like nothing on. Plus, would be immune to possession as he doesn't feel pride of satisfaction.

Typhus and Ahriman deck it out. Typhus has the melee, but Ahriman has the superior psychic ability. But in the end, the close proximity would see Typhus win.

Typhus vs Abbadon vs Kharn. I reckon its going to end up with unleashing the Destroyer Virus. Khorne guards against such tricksy tactics in both cases, with the additional aid of Tzeentch, and Slaanesh who doesn't really like ugly Typhus, in Abaddon's case. Abaddon them rushes at him in rage, battles the power of the Manreaper vs Drach'nyen. But in the end Drach'nyen breaks Manreaper. Kharn attacks the pair, batters them back. Mica-Dragon teeth ripping through Tactical Dreadnought armour of those shapes before his eyes. But eventually, Typhus' enhanced resilience proves insufficient. And his helmet rolls.


Clouds of green gas flood from his body. Abbadon looks around, unable to pierce the ghastly fog. The Talon of Horus fires out a spray of bolts. In the mist a light appears. Green-blue in colour. In grows. And at the last second a plasma bolt connects with his torso, followed a moment later by Kharn's weapon. He lashes out with his Daemonblade, the corrusating energy screaming as Kharn parries with Gorechild. The axe rakes forward to be caught in the grip of the claw. The sword swings under, causing a horrible wound across the Betrayer's chest. The veins in Kharn's base arm pulse as the Butcher's Nails flood his system with adrenaline. His strength renews and his tries to wrench his weapon free, but the Warmaster hurls in away. A second later Abaddon charges, Drach'nyen swinging a fusilade of blows. Several rain off his axe, others dodged altogether, yet other's turned away by the dark aura around his body. One finally lands and brings the Betrayer to his knees. Abaddon stands above his quarry, as he has done so many times. Gloating his victory. The Talon of Horus raises hogh above the second Warmaster's armoured body.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!"

Kharn leaps clear, bringing his plasma pistol up, the bolt connecting the force field around Abaddon, but Gorechild did not. Abaddon's left hand moved as fast as his superhuman body could, dispite his God-blessed speed being negated by his bulky armour and body. His Daemonblade parried once, twice, but by the third there was no blade to parry. Drach'nyen was embedded in the ground, howling warp energy shrieking from the severed limb clutching the handle, the arm saw off at the elbow. The Warmaster stared in horror. The irony of the moment dawned on him. The moment passed and his claw swiped horizontally, fingers raking the air where Kharn should have been. He moved with speed an Eldar or Daemon would have found untracable. His Chainaxe lashed out and carved into Abaddon's shoulder right shoulder. Abaddon lashed round, swiping again, firing a spray from the Combibolter. Several struck him in critical places but the pain fueled the Berserker's fury. The plasma pistol fired again, this time blowing the Warmaster's right leg off completely. The brute dropped, screaming in pain as Gorechild chewed through his other arm, the claw of Horus Lupercal falling beside the plasma pistol dropped so the Exhaulted Champion of Khorne may have a double handed grip.

Abaddon roared his own fury, eclipsing Kharn momentarily. Kharn stared down at his victim, Nail's Lost and twitching, Gorechild revving uncontrollably.

"SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!"


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I got carried away.


Plus, that's how Black Library would have it.

I am not a slaneesh fan but you can't just ignore the one power that actually makes him worthwhile.

Well, in my opinion, it would simply speed up Kharn's victory as he, unable to feel pride, or feel period, after beating Lucius, would still win.

Lucius duels Typhus, Typhus wins "Woo...oh damn...Mwahahahah!"

Lucius duels Abaddon, Abbadon wins "Insect. Gak!"

Lucius runs at Ahriman. Ahriman mind rapes him. Smiles. "Feth"

Lucius instead duels Ahriman. Instantly wins because Ahriman can't fight.

Lucius duels Kharn. Dies. Kharn goes off roaring at the walls n

 jifel wrote:
If Kharn can get to Ahriman before Abbadon gets to Kharn, then Abby wins. If Abbadon hits Kharn while Ahrimans alive, Ahriman wins. This is basically Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock, because each of the 5 has a counter amongst the others

This is exactly what I was gonna say!

On topic, Id say Kharn and Lucius go down first.

Its a hard pick between the other three, as if Arihman can get off a few good psychic attacks he could seriously tip it against the other two. But Im gonna say either Typhus or Abaddon takes it. Probably Abaddon.

 kinratha wrote:
Who ever wins this brawl doesn't really win....if the other 4 die then Imperium wins.

True dat! Can we get this to happen, I'd be happy if we could rid the galaxy of these lot :p xxx

I'd say Abaddon wins. I don't have a big, fancy, in depth explanation as to why, just that he's the chosen of the gods combined. He has the favour of all 4 Gods, and probably a few minor deities too, he's got a prophesied destiny somewhere about going forth 13 times and bringing down the Imperium.

Abbaddon plain and simply. Every other choice is the chosen of their god, but he is the Champion of all the gods and chaos itself.
Abbaddon is the big bad for a reason. That and his weapons kinda outdo everyone elses.

 bubble wrote:

 kinratha wrote:
Who ever wins this brawl doesn't really win....if the other 4 die then Imperium wins.

True dat! Can we get this to happen, I'd be happy if we could rid the galaxy of these lot :p xxx

Haha, you wish! We'll be partying on Terra before you know it!


Abaddon should win this if everyone is out just for themselves, as he has the best equipment and the favour of the 4 gods. The only threats to him are Ahriman's psychic powers, and Kharn in combat. Abaddon should be able to take Kharn in combat in a straight up fight. Remember, Abaddon is basically Horus Mk. 2.