My own half Eldar/human Dark angel Special character. Alot of help is needed!

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**Serth**

I found myself having a Warmachine model that looked kinda cool, and i have always wanted a Female character for my dark angels army.

(link to the model im going to use: http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img44986b7302bcd.jpg)

Soo here i go!

(remmember, she is half eldar! i have no idea how to make this work fluffwise, but lets skip that for now. I really need some feedback on the pricecost for her and if shes sane gamingwise)

Im using the Dark angel company master as a reference.

Acting Company Master Sarah
(Im gonna change this one)

WS BS S T W I A LD Sv
7 4 3 3 3 5 4 10 5+

Soo what i have done here is using the normal Dark angel company master and edited the stats. I lowered the BS and made the WS higher (shes more a close combat girl). I also Lowered the Str and Toughness (shes not a space marine) I also gave her 1 extra Attack, and removed the pistol that the company master usually have.

Special rules
Independent character, ATSKNF, Stubborn, Agile, Adamantium will (due to her eldar resistant mind), Boundless Wisdom

Wargear
Spear of Sunderment, Frag grenades, krak grenades

Spear of Sunderment
The spear of Sunderment is a power weapon that confers a 2+ str in close combat with the armorbane special rule. The spear may also be thrown using the following Profile:

Throw:
Assault 1
str 9, Ap 3

Amulet of Fortitude
"The amulet of fortitude is a rare Eldar Artifact that would normaly made a fullblood eldar Eternal, however Sarah is only a halfblood, so she cannot channel the amulets true power"
The Amulet of Fortitude give Sarah the Eternal Warrior special rules against attacks with str 7 or lower.
(I gave her this amulet simply becuase i dident want to get insta killed by a multilaser for example, due to her low toughness. Fluffwise, its an amulet that originaly confers the eternal warrior rule, but Sarah cant properly use it/its partialy broken so it only give EW to attacks over str 7.)

Agile
[i]"Sarah is extremly agile capable of even dodging bullets, due to countless of years training, and her half eldar nature"
Agile confers a 4+ invunerable against everything, exept a 6+ invunerable save against blast/template weapons. Agile also give Sarah the Jink 5+ Special rule.
Maybe jink is abit overkill?

Boundless Wisdom
At the start of the game, after deployment, roll a D6 and confer to the following Chart:

Sarah and her unit gets the following universal special rule:
1-2 = Move though Cover
2-4 = Counterattack
5-5 = Havent figured this one out jet

Soo thats how long ive come soofar. Any tip on improvments? How much would this lady cost point wise?

Im thinking about giving her a rule, so she never can be used as the armys warlord, due to the DA not truly trusting here.

(im sorry for my bad english, im tired and not good at spelling..)

Regards Serth

**HerbaciousT**

WS7 is very high. Id bring that down to a 5, 6 at the very most. Also, id remove armourbane. She can thrown the spear, thats enough. S9 seems like a lot for that though. Eldar players, I know you have some guys who can throw spears, whats the stats for that?
The Agile rule needs some work. Id give her a 5+ invulnerable, not 2 diff invulns. And lose the jink save, yes.Give her full blown EW if you like mate. At T3, shes gonna need it! Dont get bogged down with rules that work differently in different situations.
Also instead of the boundless wisdom chart thing, I would give her infiltrate and move through cover. Them eldars are sneaky

Points cost? Hmmm. If youre using the CM from the DA as a baseline, that starts at 95 I think. Id say 150pts isnt unrealistic. Maybe a little less if others think im overcosting her.

Fluffwise, lets clarify something. Is she part of the Chapter even? SM are supposed to be all male. The SoB and Inquisition accept women. SM dont as far as I know.
If she isnt a space marine, how is she in a position of power within the Chapter?

**Serth**

HerbaciousT wrote:
WS7 is very high. Id bring that down to a 5, 6 at the very most. Also, id remove armourbane. She can thrown the spear, thats enough. S9 seems like a lot for that though. Eldar players, I know you have some guys who can throw spears, whats the stats for that?

Ye, ill remove armorbane

The Eldar singing spear is a twohanded spear that allways woulds on 2+ and have str 9 against vehicles with AP 6

I kinda took the company master and made her -1 BS and +1 WS due to her speciality in CC.

The Agile rule needs some work. Id give her a 5+ invulnerable, not 2 diff invulns. And lose the jink save, yes.Give her full blown EW if you like mate. At T3, shes gonna need it! Dont get bogged down with rules that work differently in different situations.
Also instead of the boundless wisdom chart thing, I would give her infiltrate and move through cover. Them eldars are sneaky

Ive always seen the EW rule as super supreme. And shes not that great. You can go ahead and instantkill her, but only at str 8 or more. I would hate to get Instant killed by a multilaser.
The Diffrent dodgesaves is because its alot harder to dodge a blast weapon/template weapon then a bullet. And making it only 5+ is terrible. (i dropped the power armor, toughness, and ironhalo. Why make her die even easier?

Points cost? Hmmm. If youre using the CM from the DA as a baseline, that starts at 95 I think. Id say 150pts isnt unrealistic. Maybe a little less if others think im overcosting her.

That is ALOT for her. You can make a better Space marine Company master with 140pts. Alot better.

Fluffwise, lets clarify something. Is she part of the Chapter even? SM are supposed to be all male. The SoB and Inquisition accept women. SM dont as far as I know.
If she isnt a space marine, how is she in a position of power within the Chapter?

Im having a hard time dealing with this, maybe ill just have her as an Ordo Xenos inqvisitor which has been Groomed into the Dark angel ranks.

Thanks for your feedback!

**curran12**

Okay, will start with the rules:

WS7 is really high, I'd drop it.

The spear is just a bit overcomplicated. I'd drop the Armorbane because that strikes me as a "well she is weak, but I want her to kill anything so...Armorbane!" kind of decision.

I -hate- the amulet. This is nothing more than you trying to patch up any possible weak points in the character. Either give her full blown EW and crank her points up to very high levels, or don't and live with it. Also, the amulet raises a lot of questions and awkward situations. What if I hit you with an S5 force weapon? Are you EW against the force?

Agile is needlessly complicated. You've got so many situations and weird contexts for her saves that make her annoying to use. Just give her a straight-up invul save. And Jink is a rule for vehicles, get rid of it.

Boundless Wisdom is just...eh. I am not a fan of it though I see what you are trying to do with it. So I can't really get any more in depth than that.

Now, with the rules out of the way, onto the fluff. Now, I do not mean to be overly destructive but...this fluff is awful. Really, it shows no kind of connection or desire to maintain the lore of the setting or the Dark Angels.

First of all, IIRC there are no hybrid Eldar-humans ever. I know waaaaaay back in old editions there was a character,but now? No, just no. Even if there were, why would a Space Marine chapter even want her around? If you recall, Marines generally exist to blow up Xenos, not be led by one.

Second of all, "Acting" Chapter master? Um... no. Marines have pretty clear chains of commands, ESPECIALLY in the case of the Dark Angels. Nobody is going to turn over command to a person who exists outside of the inner circles of the chapter.

I get what you want to do. You want to use a cool female model with your Dark Angels, but I think you are going about it way the wrong way by trying to shoehorn in a bunch of fluff and special rules for her. If I were in your position, I'd just use her as your HQ of choice and be done with it.

**Serth**

curran12 wrote:
Okay, will start with the rules:

WS7 is really high, I'd drop it.

The spear is just a bit overcomplicated. I'd drop the Armorbane because that strikes me as a "well she is weak, but I want her to kill anything so...Armorbane!" kind of decision.

Ye, agreed. I removed armorbane for 10 mins ago.

I -hate- the amulet. This is nothing more than you trying to patch up any possible weak points in the character. Either give her full blown EW and crank her points up to very high levels, or don't and live with it. Also, the amulet raises a lot of questions and awkward situations. What if I hit you with an S5 force weapon? Are you EW against the force?

Fair Enough.

Agile is needlessly complicated. You've got so many situations and weird contexts for her saves that make her annoying to use. Just give her a straight-up invul save. And Jink is a rule for vehicles, get rid of it.

Boundless Wisdom is just...eh. I am not a fan of it though I see what you are trying to do with it. So I can't really get any more in depth than that.

Now, with the rules out of the way, onto the fluff. Now, I do not mean to be overly destructive but...this fluff is awful. Really, it shows no kind of connection or desire to maintain the lore of the setting or the Dark Angels.

I know. Ive been thinking about having a Ordo Xeno inqvisitor instead, that has been groomed into the ranks of one of the succesor DA chapters. But thats prolly horrible fluffwise to..)

First of all, IIRC there are no hybrid Eldar-humans ever. I know waaaaaay back in old editions there was a character,but now? No, just no. Even if there were, why would a Space Marine chapter even want her around? If you recall, Marines generally exist to blow up Xenos, not be led by one.

Ye, ive been thinking about that to. And i find no way they would ever want to be lead by an eldar.

Second of all, "Acting" Chapter master? Um... no. Marines have pretty clear chains of commands, ESPECIALLY in the case of the Dark Angels. Nobody is going to turn over command to a person who exists outside of the inner circles of the chapter.

Ofc your right, but i obv try to live in denial.

I get what you want to do. You want to use a cool female model with your Dark Angels, but I think you are going about it way the wrong way by trying to shoehorn in a bunch of fluff and special rules for her. If I were in your position, I'd just use her as your HQ of choice and be done with it.

Ye, im making it to hard for myself. But the model itself screams T3 and S3. I mean the model is so skinny! i'll prolly use her as a normal Dark angel Company master, but try to explain her super T and super str and super armor in some way. Thanks for your feedback!

**DarknessEternal**

Dark Angels refuse to even associate with abhumans. Aliens are right out.

**Lord Magnus**

DarknessEternal wrote:
Dark Angels refuse to even associate with abhumans. Aliens are right out.

As Darkness said, Dark Angels would gun down the abhuman before it got anywhere near any marine in the chapter, no questions asked or words exchanged. Dark Angels hate xenos and chaos even more than the rest of the Imperium. There is no way to justify this in fluff.

**Mahtamori**

Are Eldar even mammals?

**Lord Magnus**

Mahtamori wrote:
Are Eldar even mammals?

Technically they fit our definition of mammals, however, an animal that comes from off earth is probably not an animal.

**TanKoL**

BURN ! heretic Xenos abomination / scum / mutant ! Kill it with fire !

I didn't really check the rules to be honest, I can't fathom why you'd want to have a Space Marine girl ... those are called Sisters of Battle
It just feels ... wrong, especially pairing a Xenos girl with Dark Angels, one of the most xenophobic and intolerant chapters. It's not like they'd be happy to hide yet another secret ...

**Lord Magnus**

TanKoL wrote:
It's not like they'd be happy to hide yet another secret ...

I chuckled.

**Hereticdave**

Ultramarines used to have a half eldar/human special character, think he was a navigator? From rogue trader days if I recall correctly. Might be worth digging that out for some ideas, I know a lot has changed in 25 years though!

**Nevie**

Watcher in the dark? All we know are that they are mysterious beings. (Haven't read the new codex, but I haven't heard differently)

**DarknessEternal**

Hereticdave wrote:
Ultramarines used to have a half eldar/human special character, think he was a navigator?

Astropath. He was not a space marine, he wasn't even a combatant. He was just support staff.

Even if one still believes such an abomination can exist (which I do, fluff is permanent until specifically retconned), there's no way in Holy Terra that the Dark Angels would abide such a thing.

Heck, they'd probably kill it out of hand even if it were in some other marine chapter that they came across.

**deathholydeath**

Serth wrote:
curran12 wrote:
Okay, will start with the rules:

WS7 is really high, I'd drop it.

The spear is just a bit overcomplicated. I'd drop the Armorbane because that strikes me as a "well she is weak, but I want her to kill anything so...Armorbane!" kind of decision.

Ye, agreed. I removed armorbane for 10 mins ago.

I -hate- the amulet. This is nothing more than you trying to patch up any possible weak points in the character. Either give her full blown EW and crank her points up to very high levels, or don't and live with it. Also, the amulet raises a lot of questions and awkward situations. What if I hit you with an S5 force weapon? Are you EW against the force?

Fair Enough.

Agile is needlessly complicated. You've got so many situations and weird contexts for her saves that make her annoying to use. Just give her a straight-up invul save. And Jink is a rule for vehicles, get rid of it.

Boundless Wisdom is just...eh. I am not a fan of it though I see what you are trying to do with it. So I can't really get any more in depth than that.

Now, with the rules out of the way, onto the fluff. Now, I do not mean to be overly destructive but...this fluff is awful. Really, it shows no kind of connection or desire to maintain the lore of the setting or the Dark Angels.

I know. Ive been thinking about having a Ordo Xeno inqvisitor instead, that has been groomed into the ranks of one of the succesor DA chapters. But thats prolly horrible fluffwise to..)

First of all, IIRC there are no hybrid Eldar-humans ever. I know waaaaaay back in old editions there was a character,but now? No, just no. Even if there were, why would a Space Marine chapter even want her around? If you recall, Marines generally exist to blow up Xenos, not be led by one.

Ye, ive been thinking about that to. And i find no way they would ever want to be lead by an eldar.

Second of all, "Acting" Chapter master? Um... no. Marines have pretty clear chains of commands, ESPECIALLY in the case of the Dark Angels. Nobody is going to turn over command to a person who exists outside of the inner circles of the chapter.

Ofc your right, but i obv try to live in denial.

I get what you want to do. You want to use a cool female model with your Dark Angels, but I think you are going about it way the wrong way by trying to shoehorn in a bunch of fluff and special rules for her. If I were in your position, I'd just use her as your HQ of choice and be done with it.

Ye, im making it to hard for myself. But the model itself screams T3 and S3. I mean the model is so skinny! i'll prolly use her as a normal Dark angel Company master, but try to explain her super T and super str and super armor in some way. Thanks for your feedback!

So far as backstory, you could always just say she's using some crazy xenos archeotech to enthrall the marines. I don't really see a problem with her being half-eldar either. Just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it can't happen one day.

**Grey Templar**

The fluff does not allow different species to interbreed besides Genestealers and everything else. As is completely accurate.

If humans can't breed with life forms from the same planet, why would they be able to with species from a completely different planet?

It did exist in the older fluff, but that has been throughly divorced from the current fluff because its contradictory.

**Formosa**

Tigurius was half eldar, as was an old dark angel astropath, both of these have been retconned, dark angels will not tolerate any abhumans including ogryns and ratlings, they hate xenos more than any other legion.

.make this dude from another chapter and it may work

**nonowho**

I don't really like the agile rule. If a half eldar with years of training could dodge bullets then surely a regular eldar with years of training would be able to pull something like this off. (if we could we would be ruling the galaxy by now) If you want to give her a 4+ invul then just give her some wargear that does this. to give the jink rule to an infantry model imo is just ridiculous.

**Chrysis**

nonowho wrote:
I don't really like the agile rule. If a half eldar with years of training could dodge bullets then surely a regular eldar with years of training would be able to pull something like this off. (if we could we would be ruling the galaxy by now) If you want to give her a 4+ invul then just give her some wargear that does this. to give the jink rule to an infantry model imo is just ridiculous.

Lelith can dodge bullets. And given that Eldar doesn't have to mean Craftworld Eldar, any biological incompatibilities can be explained away by a Haemonculus having a play.

**amanita**

That is a cool model, but I don't see that she has to be Eldar. No obvious pointy ears and such! You could just make her human and build the story from there. But if you're dead set on her being part Eldar, well, I guess that's just another one of those pesky secrets the Dark Angels keep to themselves!

**Arthas367**

The rules aren't too crazy but the fluff aspect is what's getting me here, I'm having trouble getting past that, first things first its never been feasiable for a female to accept the Space Marine geneseed, etc. And No Space Marine chapter would suffer being led by a soldier of the eclessiary (sisters), their goals are similar, their views are not.

That being said there are chapters that are more tolerant of xenos, Dark angels are not particularly one of them, the game rules allow for a mutual alliance, but fluff wise only the great enemy/fallen would give way to this type of alliance and all bets, would be off after said forces were eliminated/captured, eldar are notorious for finding out secrets, knowing too much, etc.

Too many reasons for this chick to be killed on sight

**captain collius**

Yeah from a fluff perspective this ain't gonna go anywhere.

The rules are ok though maybe just move her to a regular space marine chapter where you use DA rules for the army.

**nolzur**

If you want a chick with your Dark Angels, just ally some Sisters or Eldar. DA would never allow a xenos to have a position of power in their organization, and would also never let a female lead, so this character does not work with this chapter.

If you really want to use that model, why not play Vanilla Marines, and run her as a counts-as Vulkan? She already has the spear and cape.

**wargey**

There are cases of a SoB to command a force of space Marines after the marines leaders have kicked the bucket in battle but never as part of the comand chain it could be a inquisitor of the ordo hereticus afixed to the DA to help hunt the fallen who they refer to as sister.

**akaean**

If you do decide to say fluff be damned, because fluff ultimately isn't the most important thing and it can be altered contrary to what the world will tell you

your chapter does what your chapter does!

Anyway you definitely need to tone her down. You've repeated multiple times that she is weaker than she would be if she were a full blooded elf, and YET she is more powerful than any craftworld eldar except Yriel and the Pheonix Lords. Do you see the problem?

Check out the Autarch's states and wargear, and definitely don't go any more extreme than that. A singing spear is fine, but don't give it any ap value, just a generic singing spear on an Autarch.

For reference this is an Autarch's statline
ws: 6 | bs: 6 | s:3 | t:3 | i:6 | a: 3| w: 3 | ld: 10 | sv: 3+/4++

They aren't particularly expensive HQs, because the low strenght and toughness really holds them back. Elves are squishy, its one of the things that Eldar players have had to learn to accept.

If you want to strain fluff even more you can consider basing her around an Archon with comparable Archon class wargear, that gives you the Shadowfield, as well as husk blade soul trap. Those items combine to give Archons a much better cc presence then Autarchs.

But all these extra rules, which are justified by her being half eldar are kind of rediculous when the Exemplars (Autarchs and Archons) of Dark Eldar and Eldar don't even have access to them. keep that in mind.

**nolzur**

wargey wrote:
it could be a inquisitor of the ordo hereticus afixed to the DA to help hunt the fallen

Wait, what?? I am sorry to break it to you, but nobody besides the Dark Angels know about the Fallen. If there were an inquisitor that found out about the Fallen, the DA would get rid of him/her.