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Jihadin wrote:We really need to make an effort to acquire a general surgeon at first. I'm a Surg Tech so I can easily take care of the surgical instruments sets. I doubt I turn down a bunch of female nurses...

My Brother is a trauma RN and my middle sister is an ER nurse...and as I stated earlier I have emergency first aid training so could serve in that capacity.
I also have two buddies with some surgical experiance...one is a vet, the other Military.

Not sure if it's already been established but we need to get our hands on a few livestock and some good land for farming...

don't know much about tending farms but I have tended some animals before...

Also we should find a library or a big study somewhere we can get books to learn more about what we'll need and how to get it.

WARORK93 wrote:Not sure if it's already been established but we need to get our hands on a few livestock and some good land for farming...

don't know much about tending farms but I have tended some animals before...

Also we should find a library or a big study somewhere we can get books to learn more about what we'll need and how to get it.

Farming, raising crops/livestock has been discussed briefly here and there, and I absolutely agree that those elements will be essential to survival.
I've done some " gardening" on a small scale and spent a summer with one of my Uncles who raised cows and pigs ( and goats)...so have some minimal experiance there.
...Also agree that a " resource" center would be important, various " how to" books will be very important to have.

To the Library!

Actually think we have to "transplant" a complete library from a highly built up area. I mean the entire library literally.

To the Library!

You are so on your own on that endeaver...more food for Liquid

kronk wrote:To the Library!

..There's just a lot of things in our current " comfortable society" that we take for granted or have others do for us, and the knowledge for doing things for ourselves will be like gold in a post apoc situation.

Fine, then! I see how it is.

I'll loot the gak out of that library. We'll have how-to books on how to write how-to books.

kronk wrote:Fine, then! I see how it is.

I'll loot the gak out of that library. We'll have how-to books on how to write how-to books.

Don't worry Kronk, I'll gather some people and a transport truck and go with you for "library looting".

EDIT: while we're out there we should also hit the pharmacies, going to need all we can get from them until we figure out how to make our own medicines,etc.

Agreed on hitting the pharmacies to. Also look into Medical Private practice because sometimes they have a pharmacy to. Nursing homes another good.

Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?

I'm only going looting in a big, red truck.

CAUSE DA RED WUNZ GO FASTA

FITZZ wrote:

kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?

Dude! You're harshing my mellow. When the apoc started, the elderly were wiped out by the plague/virus/zombies.

kronk wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?

Dude! You're harshing my mellow. When the apoc started, the elderly were wiped out by the plague/virus/zombies.

..."Harshing your Mellow.."...??... ... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's your way of saying I'm " bumming you out"...which isn't my intention.
I'm just thinking that there are going to be situations ( obviously) that , however uncomfortable or " inhumane"...we'd find ourselves having to address...

FITZZ wrote:

kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?

Run the nursery, cook, teach...or do you mean full on senile vegetables?

Ok, Fitzz. How is this?

If they look like a long-lost relative or have interesting WW2 or Korean War stories or can make shortbread cookies, they're in.

Otherwise, we just can't handle the the load...


(And spot on with the interpretation of Harshing my Mellow. This isn't supposed to be a serious thread!)

AustonT wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?

Run the nursery, cook, teach...or do you mean full on senile vegetables?

I mean those who for whatever reason aren't able to care for themselves, organic dementia, bed ridden,infirmed...


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kronk wrote:Ok, Fitzz. How is this?

If they look like a long-lost relative or have interesting WW2 or Korean War stories or can make shortbread cookies, they're in.

Otherwise, we just can't handle the the load...


(And spot on with the interpretation of Harshing my Mellow. This isn't supposed to be a serious thread!)

...No, I suppose it's not...
And Elderly who are capable of cooking shortbread cookies ( or cooking at all) isn't really who I'm talking about.

Then let's separate the elderly into useful, and not so useful.
Even a bedridden old (or young) man with a sound mind and 13 PhDs is useful to pass his knowledge on. the elderly have a histor as keepers of knowledge and tradition, and the hearth.

AustonT wrote:Then let's separate the elderly into useful, and not so useful.
Even a bedridden old (or young) man with a sound mind and 13 PhDs is useful to pass his knowledge on. the elderly have a histor as keepers of knowledge and tradition, and the hearth.

... Believe me man, I'm not advocating machine gunning the elderly...
I'm just pondering what would be the best course of action in certain situations.

It's a lot like scavenging for other tools, you take what's useful. If they are unable to care for themselves and it's logistically impossible to care for them AND your own interests...well sometimes the right thing isn't the easy or compassionate thing.

AustonT wrote:It's a lot like scavenging for other tools, you take what's useful. If they are unable to care for themselves and it's logistically impossible to care for them AND your own interests...well sometimes the right thing isn't the easy or compassionate thing.

Exactly, I would think it would ( if the situation came to such) be far more humane to end things as quickly and as painlessly as possiable rather than just leaving people to starve /die in some slow painful manner.

Can you imagine how much carbon monoxide is needed to fill up a nursing home?

Jihadin wrote:Can you imagine how much carbon monoxide is needed to fill up a nursing home?

Bullet would be quicker. But it's not just nursing homes. Do we need to send "care teams" to all of the hospitals and hospices?

Found our way out the dillema. We avoid the nursing home for 6 months after the collapse

Ah. The Burry the Head in the Sand approach.

Effective, but not as satisfying...

Then I guess....we um...over medicate the elderly..really...really overmedicate

Again, this thread is harshing my mellow!

Damn you Fitzz!

Back to the topic of Women. Will there be women?

kronk wrote:Again, this thread is harshing my mellow!

Damn you Fitzz!

Back to the topic of Women. Will there be women?

Uhh yes...this has already been established...

Otherwise we'll be at each other's throats with a week...

Jihadin wrote:Then I guess....we um...over medicate the elderly..really...really overmedicate

...See all the grim factors we'd have to contend with...

Yes the um...relationship with a lamb or something doesn't appeal to anyone. Unless you do it in private..and not on duty