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I see; that makes sense.

I've been to a couple places down south where they asked "what type of coke do you want?" which is the same as asking what type of pop, or soda do you want.

A standard coke is a regular Coke, or just Coke. (Diet, or cherry etc). Outside of Coke, Dr Pepper has a tremendously strong following down south as well and you can get it in any food place , but up north it's not as widely available due to most fast food places being Pepsi owned or under exclusive beverage contract with Pepsi. But down south it's too popular to be cut out, if I go to a Taco bell, KFC or other place owned by Yum/Pepsi I can't get a Dr Pepper, but if I go to those same places down in GA or FL they carry it.

There are a few places up north that carry both Pepsi and Dr Pepper, but it tends to be rare as it comes down to the local bottling plant, they apparent make it split between Coke, Pepsi and independent bottlers so availability comes down to who supplies the local food places. (It's usually found in places that stock coke products in the north).

Coke and coke products has a very strong hold down south which is why it replaces both soda and pop as the common term. I absolutely hate the taste of Pepsi, coke is ok, but a huge fan of Dr Pepepr. (even though I'm not from the south)


I've always used the term soda, or soda pop, very rarely do I call it just pop. Which apparently puts myself and most of my friends at odds with that chart as we live in IL which it's listed as being largely referred to as pop.

I wonder what age groups they were polling as my parents and grandparents tend to refer to it as pop, generational use might have an impact on what term is used more commonly.



Also I've read a couple articles about artificial sweeteners being far worse for you then the straight up sweetened versions. The aspartame in nutra sweet is very hard on you body and when metabolized it converts into formaldehyde (the toxic crap they preserve bodies with). In addition to causing cancer in mice as it weakens the immune system and causes a higher percentage of bone density loss and tooth enamel decay. On top of all that the chemical compounds cause you body to put on weight, which is counter productive to why most started drinking it to begin with. A study was done that indicated that within two years most diet soda drinkers will end up 10-15 pounds heavier then when they started drinking it.

You can't look at just the low/zero calorie label on a food or drink item and assume it's good for you, you also need to know how the body processes and deals with that material.

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
In addition, after drinking soda, try to drink a glass of water shortly after in 1:1 ratio at least. (that's what my urologist recommends)

Did he say why?

Besides how unhealthy soda is in terms of nutritional value... because of caffiene, it's a diuretic. Meaning, you'll dehydrate faster. Thus, drinking at least as much water as your drank in soda helps counter that a bit. I got the feeling that he wanted me to drink more than 1:1, but that's not quite easy to do at times.

When I recovered after donating a kidney, I maintained numerous followup appointments with my urologist to monitor my overall kidney functions. One of the thing I've told him is that I'm a recovering Soda-holic.

Just commenting to say kudos on donating a kindey

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
In addition, after drinking soda, try to drink a glass of water shortly after in 1:1 ratio at least. (that's what my urologist recommends)

Did he say why?

Besides how unhealthy soda is in terms of nutritional value... because of caffiene, it's a diuretic. Meaning, you'll dehydrate faster. Thus, drinking at least as much water as your drank in soda helps counter that a bit. I got the feeling that he wanted me to drink more than 1:1, but that's not quite easy to do at times.

When I recovered after donating a kidney, I maintained numerous followup appointments with my urologist to monitor my overall kidney functions. One of the thing I've told him is that I'm a recovering Soda-holic.

Just commenting to say kudos on donating a kindey

Thanks... I'm actually a bit uncomfortable to "toot my horns" on that.

It's simply a gift and needs to be treated as such.

But, if you're healthy, you can live on one kidney for the rest of your life w/o any measurable impact to your health (provided that you fething take care of yourself).

It's really something else to be a part of literally helping someone live better.

And ya'll thought I was some heartless righty.

Seriously, if anyone wants to discuss this, PM at any time.

That's fair enough. Just felt like saying it as I am a transplant recipient myself (my dad donated), so I know the difference it makes to someone's life and I'm always happy to hear of people helping others in such an important way.

On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

I think this could also be attributed to differences in our societies.... Just as much as the US has more of a "gun culture" than the UK, it's the same with food/drink, auto racing, etc.

 Ouze wrote:

I have found that when I tried having diet soda instead of water, that my weight loss almost completely stopped. When I went back to water only again, weight loss resumed.

Saline intake, probably. The same thing happens with people who have water softeners.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

I think this could also be attributed to differences in our societies.... Just as much as the US has more of a "gun culture" than the UK, it's the same with food/drink, auto racing, etc.

I definitely think that may be the case, too. You do seem to like things a lot sweeter over all, I think. I mean marshmallows on sweet potato?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

I think this could also be attributed to differences in our societies.... Just as much as the US has more of a "gun culture" than the UK, it's the same with food/drink, auto racing, etc.

I definitely think that may be the case, too. You do seem to like things a lot sweeter over all, I think. I mean marshmallows on sweet potato?

With BROWN SUGAR!!!!

Seems like the place to unveil the Unhealthiest Meal in America.

After a slow, labored tabulation of data that required frequent stops for heavy breathing, Red Robin has been declared the winner of this year’s Xtreme Eating Awards. The annual contest, whose name ironically alludes to the sort of sports activities it makes impossible, is conducted by the Center for Science in the Public Interest—specifically the interest in not seeing the public gorge itself to death. It measures the unhealthiest meals at more than 200 chain restaurants in America, then ranks them in handy list form so you don’t waste your time with some bs salad.

Red Robin took the top prize with a meal consisting of its Monster burger—a regular A1 peppercorn burger rendered hideous and unlovable with the addition of a second patty—the Nitzschean abyss of its “bottomless” fries, and a Monster salted caramel milkshake, which accidentally killed a young peasant girl by throwing her into a lake. (The milkshake thought she would float! Must this milkshake be deemed a monster for not understanding our world?) All together, this classic Universal-style pairing of terrifying salt-based creatures weighs in at 3,450 calories, well above the 2,500 daily intake recommended for an adult man by the nanny-state government.

Damn that looks tasty. They need to ditch that tomato slice though, and replace it with either chili or MOAR bacon (or both!).

And add some bourbon to the shake!

 Ahtman wrote:
Seems like the place to unveil the Unhealthiest Meal in America.

After a slow, labored tabulation of data that required frequent stops for heavy breathing, Red Robin has been declared the winner of this year’s Xtreme Eating Awards. The annual contest, whose name ironically alludes to the sort of sports activities it makes impossible, is conducted by the Center for Science in the Public Interest—specifically the interest in not seeing the public gorge itself to death. It measures the unhealthiest meals at more than 200 chain restaurants in America, then ranks them in handy list form so you don’t waste your time with some bs salad.

Red Robin took the top prize with a meal consisting of its Monster burger—a regular A1 peppercorn burger rendered hideous and unlovable with the addition of a second patty—the Nitzschean abyss of its “bottomless” fries, and a Monster salted caramel milkshake, which accidentally killed a young peasant girl by throwing her into a lake. (The milkshake thought she would float! Must this milkshake be deemed a monster for not understanding our world?) All together, this classic Universal-style pairing of terrifying salt-based creatures weighs in at 3,450 calories, well above the 2,500 daily intake recommended for an adult man by the nanny-state government.

Have you heard of The Heart Attack Grill?

 Random Dude wrote:
Have you heard of The Heart Attack Grill?

I think the question you are looking for is "Has USA Today ever heard of The Heart Attack Grill". I didn't make the determination. I imagine this was just looking at national restaurants and not single restaurants, but yes, I know what The Heart Attack Grill is. On their website their Vegan Menu is cigarettes: all leaf, no meat!

Ahtman wrote:Seems like the place to unveil the Unhealthiest Meal in America.

After a slow, labored tabulation of data that required frequent stops for heavy breathing, Red Robin has been declared the winner of this year’s Xtreme Eating Awards. The annual contest, whose name ironically alludes to the sort of sports activities it makes impossible, is conducted by the Center for Science in the Public Interest—specifically the interest in not seeing the public gorge itself to death. It measures the unhealthiest meals at more than 200 chain restaurants in America, then ranks them in handy list form so you don’t waste your time with some bs salad.

Red Robin took the top prize with a meal consisting of its Monster burger—a regular A1 peppercorn burger rendered hideous and unlovable with the addition of a second patty—the Nitzschean abyss of its “bottomless” fries, and a Monster salted caramel milkshake, which accidentally killed a young peasant girl by throwing her into a lake. (The milkshake thought she would float! Must this milkshake be deemed a monster for not understanding our world?) All together, this classic Universal-style pairing of terrifying salt-based creatures weighs in at 3,450 calories, well above the 2,500 daily intake recommended for an adult man by the nanny-state government.

CptJake wrote:Damn that looks tasty. They need to ditch that tomato slice though, and replace it with either chili or MOAR bacon (or both!).

And add some bourbon to the shake!

Think my heart just harden to granite status

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

I think this could also be attributed to differences in our societies.... Just as much as the US has more of a "gun culture" than the UK, it's the same with food/drink, auto racing, etc.

I definitely think that may be the case, too. You do seem to like things a lot sweeter over all, I think. I mean marshmallows on sweet potato?

With BROWN SUGAR!!!!

*vomits*
*rails at the sky*
IS THERE NO END TO YOUR DEPRAVITY AMERICIA?
*Stops , ponders*
The great white satan isn't america is it, it's sugar!
*Adopts "the thinker" pose

I'll never understand the irrational hate towards burgers.

 dogma wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

I have found that when I tried having diet soda instead of water, that my weight loss almost completely stopped. When I went back to water only again, weight loss resumed.

Saline intake, probably. The same thing happens with people who have water softeners.

Is there a way of adjusting it so you can continue to lose weight while drinking diet soda?

 Ouze wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

I have found that when I tried having diet soda instead of water, that my weight loss almost completely stopped. When I went back to water only again, weight loss resumed.

Saline intake, probably. The same thing happens with people who have water softeners.

Is there a way of adjusting it so you can continue to lose weight while drinking diet soda?

I believe the chemical content of the diet soda is what makes that happen.

 trexmeyer wrote:
I'll never understand the irrational hate towards burgers.

If you make them with lean beef they should be fine.

 Random Dude wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
I'll never understand the irrational hate towards burgers.

If you make them with lean beef they should be fine.

Exactly, but they're constantly blasted by everyone even on fitness related boards as being the cause of heart attacks and strokes.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
I'll never understand the irrational hate towards burgers.

If you make them with lean beef they should be fine.

Exactly, but they're constantly blasted by everyone even on fitness related boards as being the cause of heart attacks and strokes.

Well how many people take the time to make their burgers with 90% + lean beef and whole wheat buns?

Even if it was fatty meat and white bread, it isn't as bad as it is made out to be. The worst part of fast food meals are the fries and drinks, assuming they're serving actual meat and not pink goop.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Even if it was fatty meat and white bread, it isn't as bad as it is made out to be. The worst part of fast food meals are the fries and drinks, assuming they're serving actual meat and not pink goop.

I think normal ground beef is 22 grams of fat per serving with maybe 10 grams saturated. Carbs also get a bad rep (As a distance runner I eat more than most people, but they come from vegetables and whole grains).

I'm eating around 100g of fat per day. 22 is nothing for me haha. In a vacuum, carbs are fine. When you take normal people that don't workout in some fashion and they gorge on sugars, cereals, and grains you get serious problems.

Bullockist wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


On the subject of soda, I've never really drank that much. Possibly because it was never something we always had in the house, only for special occasions such as christmas, birthdays etc.

Sure my teeth thank me as much as anything else in my body

I think this could also be attributed to differences in our societies.... Just as much as the US has more of a "gun culture" than the UK, it's the same with food/drink, auto racing, etc.

I definitely think that may be the case, too. You do seem to like things a lot sweeter over all, I think. I mean marshmallows on sweet potato?

With BROWN SUGAR!!!!

*vomits*
*rails at the sky*
IS THERE NO END TO YOUR DEPRAVITY AMERICIA?
*Stops , ponders*
The great white satan isn't america is it, it's sugar!
*Adopts "the thinker" pose

trexmeyer wrote:I'll never understand the irrational hate towards burgers.

You two brought up a old memory from '91

KATUSA is a South Korean soldier assign to a US Army units. Like one per squad/section

One weekend of drinking
Joe "Why do all you Katusa's you all smell like Kimchi when running during PT?"
Kim "Why do Americans smell like cheese burgers during PT?"

I laughed so hard I fell off the bar stool

I remember that from Korea. The kimchi odor was ubiquitous. It's almost nostalgic when I smell it again stateside.

I imagine a great deal of the calories on that meal were not from the burger, but from the shake. Milkshakes are obscenely high in calories.

 trexmeyer wrote:
I remember that from Korea. The kimchi odor was ubiquitous. It's almost nostalgic when I smell it again stateside.

I have to say as lovely as it is Kimchi doesn't smell that far from body odour before it is eaten.
Kinda embarrassing to travel on public transport with though, sometimes I feel like standing up and declaring "it's not me, it's the Kimchi", then I realise it's probably both

 Ahtman wrote:
I imagine a great deal of the calories on that meal were not from the burger, but from the shake. Milkshakes are obscenely high in calories.

I got a fitbit about a year ago, and part of the routine is logging your calories, and you wear the thing, and it tells you how many calories you can eat that day. It's worked pretty well, although I've gotten the most mileage - no pun intended - not out of the pedometer thing, but out of the calorie tracker (and I think you can do similar things for free elsewhere).

Anyway, the point is, that the fitbit has allowed me to see just how bad some foods are for you. I mean, you know brownies aren't carrots, obviously, but it's one thing to say "yeah, that shake is kinda bad" and another to realize that a Banana Cream Pie shake from Sonic is 1700 calories.

I'm pretty sure Sonic is the absolute worst offender with shakes.