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**Shadenuat**

SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Well they're kinda like pigeons. Don't think I need to continue the thought.

**Marin**

SamusDrake wrote:
The new Jain Zar looks brilliant, but just concerned all these banshee releases will be exclusive to a Eldar vs Dark Eldar box set - like last years Vigilius box sets.

The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

I think GW planned that banshees and incubi are better with Ynnari, but the problem is, Ynnari can`t boost this units to be useful enough.
Artel cool banshees also could have forced the release.
Led`s hope they get point reduction, since nothing of the release is giving much hype about their effectiveness.

**TheFleshIsWeak**

SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Fluffwise, I think people are fed up of them being shoehorned into everything.

Remember how when the Swarmlord was first invented and suddenly he was the mastermind behind basically every Tyranid victory?

Rulewise, they lose what is arguably their defining feature (Soulburst) and had it replaced by a rule that's, well, garbage.

What's more, whilst many other armies have stratagems to let them move or fire twice, Ynnari don't have either. They don't even have anything to get an extra move. Also, for a race that's supposedly psyker-heavy they've got basically 0 bonuses for psykers. In fact, most of their powers are just crappier versions of Eldar ones. Hey, how would you like Doom but with worse range and it only works on melee attacks?

Their characters are still costed as though they could fight twice even though they can't anymore (in fact, their characters get basically 0 benefit from the new Strength from Death rules). Oh, and their characters are mandatory in order to make a detachment into a Ynnari one. You've no idea how obnoxious this makes them.

Oh and did I mention that they've only got a couple of pages of stratagems (and can't make use of Eldar/DE/Harlequin ones) and about half of them are niche beyond all reason.

It's a shame because they actually have some fun Relics and Warlord Traits, and a couple of nice psychic powers. But the number of hoops you have to jump through just to use them is very unreasonable and not at all reflective of their strength.

**Amishprn86**

SamusDrake wrote:
The new Jain Zar looks brilliant, but just concerned all these banshee releases will be exclusive to a Eldar vs Dark Eldar box set - like last years Vigilius box sets.

The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

The rules are awful, by far the worst traits in the game, completely melee focus in 8th isnt a good trait, and the stratagems are also terrible. Ynnari doesnt work with a Tac list at all, there are no buffs to shooting other than 1 power and 1 stratagem. Cool..... i guess 1/2 my army isnt going to be supported. In 8th that doesnt work at all.

And finally, the Characters are still over costed.

**Bellerophon**

SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models, and I don't like their recent prominence in Eldar fluff. I've disliked them for those reasons since they were released - I'm an oldschool Eldar fan, and the existence of Ynnari has been like a looming threat to the future of my favourite faction.

**SamusDrake**

Thank you all for the insight on that one. Models look good but didn't know how they affected the army itself.

Cheers.

**Marin**

Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models, and I don't like their recent prominence in Eldar fluff. I've disliked them for those reasons since they were released - I'm an oldschool Eldar fan, and the existence of Ynnari has been like a looming threat to the future of my favourite faction.

Like them or not, Ynnari will probably be the core of the aeldar story line. There is not real feature for the CWE, they are just slowly withering away.

**BrianDavion**

SamusDrake wrote:
The new Jain Zar looks brilliant, but just concerned all these banshee releases will be exclusive to a Eldar vs Dark Eldar box set - like last years Vigilius box sets.

The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

they represent a change to the setting, a lotta folks who specificly like CRAFTWORLDS eldar are afraid it's going to lead to CWE getting marginalized. One could arguably say Ynnari are the Eldar's Primaris Marines in that they represent a major change to the setting that has some people worry something they like and have invested a lot of time and emotion into is under threat

**Shadenuat**

Marin wrote:
There is not real feature for the CWE, they are just slowly withering away.

(angry craftworlders noises)

BrianDavion wrote:
they represent a change to the setting

They represent something like AoS Grand Alliance Happy Friends and nobody likes this.

I've seen it, the plotting and scheming of corporation to make Eldar race into one unified faction with no separate rules, cultures or tastes.
Probably was stopped due to negative reaction to AoS.

**Blastaar**

I'm not a fan of new Jain. Far too much hair (so much would get in her way in combat), she's going to snap off that contact point easily and often, and the detail quality of her hair and those absurdly-long streamers is rather poor. I'll pick up the Artel version if I ever have a need of one.

**Shadenuat**

I own Artel W Red Witch. It's nearly not as good as on the picture and far from the detail of new GW model. Also has slightly hunched pose - doesn't stand out on the table as much.

Now their Scorpions would be hard to beat.

**Marin**

Shadenuat wrote:
Marin wrote:
There is not real feature for the CWE, they are just slowly withering away.

(angry craftworlders noises)

What you expect, there is no way dying race to die for ever

**Hellebore**

Blastaar wrote:
I'm not a fan of new Jain. Far too much hair (so much would get in her way in combat), she's going to snap off that contact point easily and often, and the detail quality of her hair and those absurdly-long streamers is rather poor. I'll pick up the Artel version if I ever have a need of one.

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I imagine it floats around her, psychically. This isn't a joke. The Phoenix lords are pumping with warp energy, they're basically daemon princes.

**Blastaar**

Hellebore wrote:
Blastaar wrote:
I'm not a fan of new Jain. Far too much hair (so much would get in her way in combat), she's going to snap off that contact point easily and often, and the detail quality of her hair and those absurdly-long streamers is rather poor. I'll pick up the Artel version if I ever have a need of one.

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I imagine it floats around her, psychically. This isn't a joke. The Phoenix lords are pumping with warp energy, they're basically daemon princes.

Regardless, it's just too much.

**Shadenuat**

It is not enough! It must be alive, dancing around and choking enemies like tentacles.

**TheFleshIsWeak**

Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models

If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about them?

**PenitentJake**

Shadenuat wrote:
Marin wrote:

I've seen it, the plotting and scheming of corporation to make Eldar race into one unified faction with no separate rules, cultures or tastes.
Probably was stopped due to negative reaction to AoS.

This is exactly the opposite of everything they've done this edition. Every faction now has sub-factions, not just in fluff, but in rules- a distinction that belonged to marines alone for almost a decade. If anything, I think they'll expand every non-marine army to the the point where they can get away with a dex + supplement system for all factions. You don't do that by taking away craftworld/ coven/ troupe/ kabal osessions, doctrines, subfaction specific warlord traits, strategems and relics. They actually need to build more.

Don't get me wrong, I fear for the future too, and I'm not entirely happy about Ynarri. But I don't think you have to worry about a lack of subfaction differentiation moving forward. If this sells, a DE vs CWE boxed set or an extended Kill Team run might happen next year. I really do believe that GW is going to give real attention to all factions from here on in, and I'd argue we've seen real, tangible evidence of that. We've already got KT rules for Dire Avengers, Banshees and Scorpions including their exarchs. I think that means we'll get Karandras and Asurmen and at least plastic Scorpions. Maybe not until late 2020, but I do believe they're coming.

Wonder if we'll get KT Commander rules for Jainzar in the corresponding White Dwarf. Or maybe KT rules for the missing Aspects (hard, because Swooping Hawks, Dark Reapers, Warp Spiders and Shining Spears are either about crossing the table double quick or heavy weapons, which might lead to real problems on a small 4 x 4 table).

**Elbows**

TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models

If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about them?

I don't like them either, but then I don't play Ynnari so it's a rather moot point. The lady doesn't look like she belongs on a battlefield with high heels and a huge trained dress. She would fit in an RPG/Inquisitor28 setting, but not on a modern battlefield. The Avatar is too fiddly looking and I've never enjoyed smoke or magic effects being modeled onto things. It also took up a sculpt or space which would have been better served by a normal, real Avatar. The Visarch just has a rather boring look, borders more heavily on looking like an anime fantasy Elf than an actual Eldar model. It's not awful, but it's boring.

Back this up with supremely middling fluff/lore, and GW trying to make a faction from three models, and there's nothing to get excited about there. Much like the full Harlequin army release, it was also more "Hey do you like Eldar? How about all of these Eldar you don't collect".

**Iracundus**

The new Jain Zar preview rule seems to IMO show confusion about what the role of Banshees are supposed to be. I get that they were going for a storm of blades thing but traditionally at least in terms of background, anti-horde was the Scorpions’ role with Banshees meant to be more the elite killers. To make use of the rule, you’d have to charge Jain Zar into a horde of presumably chaff, against which the Blade of Destruction would be overkill.

**Bellerophon**

TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models

If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about them?

Yvraine - I don't like the headdress, the silly barefoot tiptoe walk or the fact that she's going to battle with massive cumbersome skirts.

Yncarne - Looks far too Slaaneshi to ever belong in an Eldar army.

Visarch - Looks more Drukhari than Craftworld to me, and I'm not really a fan of the Drukhari look. But on the whole, I find him the least bad of the three.

**Grimskul**

Bellerophon wrote:
TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models

If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about them?

Yvraine - I don't like the headdress, the silly barefoot tiptoe walk or the fact that she's going to battle with massive cumbersome skirts.

Yncarne - Looks far too Slaaneshi to ever belong in an Eldar army.

Visarch - Looks more Drukhari than Craftworld to me, and I'm not really a fan of the Drukhari look. But on the whole, I find him the least bad of the three.

First one I understand, but the last two issues you have with them visually have fluff reasons behind it. Given that Slaanesh was born of the Eldar, it makes sense that the god that is supposedly destined to defeat Slaanesh and be the salvation of the Eldar race is a reflection of their doom.

Similarly, the Visarch is Drukhari looking precisely because he has personal ties to Yvraine and was formerly her DA exarch mentor before following her to Commorragh when she went to become part of a Wych Cult, basically joining an Incubi shrine so he could keep tabs on her. So that aspect of his life was clearly carried over to combine with his original Craftworld origins.

**TheFleshIsWeak**

Elbows wrote:

I don't like them either, but then I don't play Ynnari so it's a rather moot point. The lady doesn't look like she belongs on a battlefield with high heels and a huge trained dress. She would fit in an RPG/Inquisitor28 setting, but not on a modern battlefield.

Agreed about that. I'm largely neutral on the Visarch and the Yncarne but I really can't stand Yvraine's design.

Elbows wrote:
The Avatar is too fiddly looking and I've never enjoyed smoke or magic effects being modeled onto things.

That's fair.

I personally don't have an issue with magic effects being modelled onto things. However, in the case of the Yncarne, it seems like the magic effect was really overdone. I think they could easily have easily achieved the same feel without making the model take up about 4 times as much volume as was actually necessary. What's more, if you strip away all the magic effects, I really don't find the Yncarne to be a particularly interesting or impressive model. I wish they'd either made him much more warped/daemonic looking or else made him look more magic/otherwordly in and of himself (like the Avater), rather than just surrounding him with sparkles.

Elbows wrote:
It also took up a sculpt or space which would have been better served by a normal, real Avatar.

To be honest, this is how I feel with the Incubi/Drazhar release. I'd have much preferred to see models for some of the units that have been stripped out of the DE codex.

Elbows wrote:
The Visarch just has a rather boring look, borders more heavily on looking like an anime fantasy Elf than an actual Eldar model. It's not awful, but it's boring..

Can't disagree there.

Elbows wrote:

Back this up with supremely middling fluff/lore, and GW trying to make a faction from three models, and there's nothing to get excited about there. Much like the full Harlequin army release, it was also more "Hey do you like Eldar? How about all of these Eldar you don't collect".

Bellerophon wrote:

Yvraine - I don't like the headdress, the silly barefoot tiptoe walk or the fact that she's going to battle with massive cumbersome skirts.

As above, I agree with this. To be honest, I think the only things I don't hate on the Yvraine model are her sword and her pet.

Bellerophon wrote:

Yncarne - Looks far too Slaaneshi to ever belong in an Eldar army.

Visarch - Looks more Drukhari than Craftworld to me, and I'm not really a fan of the Drukhari look. But on the whole, I find him the least bad of the three.

Fair enough.

**Argive**

SamusDrake wrote:
The new Jain Zar looks brilliant, but just concerned all these banshee releases will be exclusive to a Eldar vs Dark Eldar box set - like last years Vigilius box sets.

The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Several reasons for me:

1. Its the catalyst/enabler that blends the Eldar factions into one generic Eldar soup grand alliance style and forces that onto the community because of point 2. CWE and DE are two very different things. To me, its like putting chaos marines and space marines into one army and they all hold hands and get along...
2. The rules were stupid OP for ages, because GW wanted to push the ynnari narrative hard. Its a faction that basically conists of 1 box set...
3. Not particularly fan of the models. The visarch is alright though, made for a great autarch conversion for my CWE so theres that.

**Crimson**

The Ynnari models are absolutely amazing, I really like how much intricate detail they have and how wild the designs are. They make the old Eldar models seem a bit plain and boring in comparison.

And whilst I'm not so sure about the whole Ynnari storyline, I really like the various Eldar factions working together. I really hope that with this Eldar wave we get some new dedicated Ynnari models.

Jain Zar look pretty decent though, it is basically exactly her old design except in plastic and with slightly improved proportions. Nothing terribly exiting, but a solid model regardless.

**Mmmpi**

I personally like the Yvraine model (sans headdress), and dislike the other two.

YMMV I guess on what we each think is cool.

**Blastaar**

Bellerophon wrote:
TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Bellerophon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
The Ynnari don't seem to be popular these days. Whats that all about then?

Personally - I don't like the triumvirate models

If you don't mind me asking, what do you dislike about them?

Yvraine - I don't like the headdress, the silly barefoot tiptoe walk or the fact that she's going to battle with massive cumbersome skirts.

Yncarne - Looks far too Slaaneshi to ever belong in an Eldar army.

Visarch - Looks more Drukhari than Craftworld to me, and I'm not really a fan of the Drukhari look. But on the whole, I find him the least bad of the three.

Agreed.

Yncarne looks less like an Eldar Avatar and more like some poor guardian became possessed by a demonette.

Yvraine's attire is completely unsuited to battle.

Visarch is just poorly executed. Too wooden, and the fur texture isn't right.

All three quite poor designs.

**Pilum**

Blastaar wrote:
Yncarne looks less like an Eldar Avatar and more like some poor guardian became possessed by a demonette.

Whilst not a big fan of the triumvirate (too Dark for my taste, the models are nice enough), I think you've hit on why it's actually a successful model I terms of the story, showing why the Ynnari are so controversial (in universe).
That's probably exactly what an Eldar sees too.

**Amishprn86**

I love the Yncarne, one of my favorite models, sadly its extremely over costed. In old Ynnari it was at least playable with the ability to "fight" after teleporting, now you have to be even more extremely careful with it and you can never fight twice. The auras are almost pointless as well. Really its only worth 250pts at the most right now, and even then i don't think i would still play it very much. At least i wouldnt feel like i'm wasting 1/6 of my army.

**Shadenuat**

Why doesn't anyone mention the kitten? The kitten is a reason to buy Triumvirate as any.

Yeah, Ynnari models are pretty. But the way lore goes around them and their 2 or so years of total dominance on the battlefield generated much salt.

**Eldarsif**

Shadenuat wrote:
Marin wrote:
There is not real feature for the CWE, they are just slowly withering away.

(angry craftworlders noises)

BrianDavion wrote:
they represent a change to the setting

They represent something like AoS Grand Alliance Happy Friends and nobody likes this.

I've seen it, the plotting and scheming of corporation to make Eldar race into one unified faction with no separate rules, cultures or tastes.
Probably was stopped due to negative reaction to AoS.

I actually like the Ynnari concept and how they established the covens want nothing to do with the Ynnari. Personally I just like evolving fluff even if it shakes things up too much.

You should also revisit AoS. Cities of Sigmar, Mawgore tribes, and Orruks are all consolidating the remaining factions into single factions and most people seem rather happy about it. AoS is in a fantastic place these days.