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A week because modern Earth is a mess.
Not a single example of a modern conflict would be applicable because the way SM work completely outclasses any previous experience.
   
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A week is generous.
With an entire chapter at their disposal they could easily take out every single government in the world in about fifteen minutes with simultaneous strikes. It'd only take a squad at most droppodding in.
I imagine they'd focus more, perhaps a company, to deploy to major military installations such as modern airbases and tank depots.
They could repulse more or less any given attack as soon as it's launched.

Quelling the population might be more difficult, that's an operation that can't be done quickly and is really just not up the Astarte's ally.
   
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Marines would control the "High ground" (orbital space).

With targeted lance strikes, earth based defences would crumble. Even "hardened" bunkers would burn.

ICBMs might be able to reach them (they'd have to be retargeted for non-surface targets), but they'd be neutralised by close-in-defence batteries or armour.

And that's before a single marine makes planetfall.

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That is quite underselling just how armed modern earth is.

Nvm that marines don't always perform up to taks either, cue vraks, and that was a handsoff campaign of removal not capturing.
Also there's the fact that our techlevel so to speak is not non negliable.

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 kirotheavenger wrote:
The Taros campaign sort of addresses how a Space Marine chapter would go about subjucating a planet.

Note, Taros was a nominally loyal Imperial planet, but the elite were found to be trading with Xenos, and the workers were loyal to the elite.

They landed a battle company of Astartes in the governor's palace with the intention to kill him and his government, to then replace them with a new government.
If the governor wasn't there they planned a short seek-and-destroy campaign until he was found.
In conjunction they ordered the Arbites of the planet to arrest any one else deemed too high ranked.

Didn't really work out like that, the Tau had already reinforced Taros in strength and repelled the Astartes and Arbites, so things escalated into a full invasion and war.

But the intention was there.


The Taros campaign book I think is the best illustration of an almost 'real life' conception of an Imperial assault - the way the Marines are used in particular is awesome; with the attack on the Governor's palace to capture him, and then the Raptors carrying out an assault on the gun emplacements. It really makes the Marines come across as the kind of special-forces type tool that they are. Think it probably helps that they were authored by Warwick Kinrade, who is massively into his military history, and so his stuff always has a quasi-historical/real-life edge to it.

I think even though the rules are out of date now that book is worth getting hold of, just because the ideas, story and concepts are so cool.

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Modern Earth doesn't have orbital defences or strike capability. That's the biggest issue here. It doesn't matter if it's one Strike Cruiser or a fleet of Astartes vessels, if Earth proves to be too irritating to bother with, the planet will be annihilated from orbit then dealt with at a later date.
Atomic weapons are noted by the Imperium as dangerous but vastly inferior to the weapons the Imperium uses.
Vraks is a very bad example since it was a prepared situation that only came to the attention of Space Marine forces after there had been a siege for ages and the defenders had the same equipment as the attackers plus CSM/Daemon/Chaos Titan support. At no point was a whole Chapter dedicated to the Siege of Vraks.
   
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I agree, coincidently I was just rereading Taros this weekend! I had to shoehorn it into a thread

I love the look into Imperial Bureaucracy we get as well.

I wish we get more books in this theme. IMO it's how campaigns should be written.
The newer "CAN THE ULTRAMARINES SAVE THE GALAXY AGAIN?!?!" narratives are so lame in comparison.
   
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 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Let's say there was a Chapter trying to conquer a planet like modern Earth with numerous hundreds of independent governments, many thousands of state / provincial governments along with supranational unions like the EU?

Let's say the invading force was an entire Chapter with one battle barge and three strike cruisers along with eight rapid strike vessels.


Seeing as we have no means of void defences they could just threaten to bombard us from orbit and force us to capitulate. If we don't believe them, they could just broadcast a live fire exercise on the moon.
   
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 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Let's say there was a Chapter trying to conquer a planet like modern Earth with numerous hundreds of independent governments, many thousands of state / provincial governments along with supranational unions like the EU?

Let's say the invading force was an entire Chapter with one battle barge and three strike cruisers along with eight rapid strike vessels.

Marines introduce themselves to the most powerful entities, superpowers like US, China, Russia. They say that the Imperium is going to require a tithe from our world. The tithe will start at a relatively low cost, whatever it is. Successfully meeting the tithe will result in trade routes opening up from other worlds, providing access to unimaginable technology. National entities that support the tithe will gain the support of the Marines (and their orbital assets) in any conflict against non-supporters.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Let's say there was a Chapter trying to conquer a planet like modern Earth with numerous hundreds of independent governments, many thousands of state / provincial governments along with supranational unions like the EU?

Let's say the invading force was an entire Chapter with one battle barge and three strike cruisers along with eight rapid strike vessels.

Marines introduce themselves to the most powerful entities, superpowers like US, China, Russia. They say that the Imperium is going to require a tithe from our world. The tithe will start at a relatively low cost, whatever it is. Successfully meeting the tithe will result in trade routes opening up from other worlds, providing access to unimaginable technology. National entities that support the tithe will gain the support of the Marines (and their orbital assets) in any conflict against non-supporters.


I could see a Rogue Trader going this route more than most Space Marine Chapters.

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How much height does a Space Marine gain from the armour? Four inches? Six inches?
   
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 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
How much height does a Space Marine gain from the armour? Four inches? Six inches?



It varies from marine to marine, some feel the need to overcompensate more than others..

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When was the decision by Council of Nicaea banning psyker use revoked by the Imperium when Chapters of Adeptus Astartes started to organize librarians once again with no repercussions?
   
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 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
When was the decision by Council of Nicaea banning psyker use revoked by the Imperium when Chapters of Adeptus Astartes started to organize librarians once again with no repercussions?
Late in the Heresy, IIRC - it might have been just before the Siege of Terra.


 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Do the Sisters of Battle have anything akin to a tech-marine in their ranks?
I want to say one of the Non-Militant Orders fulfils that function, but I'm not 100% sure about that...

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I thought the council of Nikea wasn't rescinded until like the 41st millennium. Unless something in the HH books changed that?

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The decision to eliminate the Legions use of Psykers was rescinded almost immediately after the Heresy since the Traitors use of Psykers, Daemons, and other Warp powers heavily impacted Loyalist forces who were still technically banned from using their own Psykers during the conflict.
Even during the Heresy, almost every Loyalist force used Librarians or Esotericists to combat the Traitors and Guillimans Codex Astartes implemented them in the organisation of a Chapter. It was then up to the individual Chapter to include them in their forces.

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Yeah, regarding the disbanded Librarius, the Ultramarines very quickly found themselves re-implementing their Librarius post-Calth, with many psychically attuned Astartes realising how effective their psychic powers were in particular against daemonic foes.

Arguably, the sheer amount of daemonic forces the Word Bearers brought to bear against the Ultramarines only hastened their re-implementation of the Librarius.


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The Lion, Sanguinius, Dorn, Guilliman, and the Khan all reintroduced their Librarians very quickly during the Heresy. Nikea was almost entirely to censure the Thousand Sons and humiliate Magnus.
   
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And of course there's the Space Wolves who never stopped using theirs.
   
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What color is Ork blood?

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Red.

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like Lord Zarkov said, they have red blood, for several reasons: Lorewise, its because the algae that gives them their green colour is concentrated only in their skin, where it can get light to photosynthesize.

real world wise, the painters use red, because green blood looks less like a wound and more like a painting accident, so they paint and portray Ork blood as red..

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Troubles for Earth vs a Strike Cruiser lead fleet.

Our militaries heavily rely on communication. So our satellite system would likely be the first to go, quite possibly whilst the Fleet bombards centres of Government or military bases. That’s going to wreck cohesive responses.

All the time they’re in orbit? There’s sod all we can do about it. They needn’t attempt landfall until military bases and airfields are trashed.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Troubles for Earth vs a Strike Cruiser lead fleet.

Our militaries heavily rely on communication. So our satellite system would likely be the first to go, quite possibly whilst the Fleet bombards centres of Government or military bases. That’s going to wreck cohesive responses.

All the time they’re in orbit? There’s sod all we can do about it. They needn’t attempt landfall until military bases and airfields are trashed.



well, its not called the ultimate high ground for nothing. then again, If the imperium wanted to bring modern day Earth into Compliance, the techology difference is so great that they wouldn't NEED to take out the command infrastructure to win. A simple radio message and maybe a small demonstration that they can wreck havoc on any resistance would be enough to convince any sane government to surrender, which would preserve the planet and its infrastructure for the actually hard part of exerting a meaningful level of control over the planet, for which having the existing security and control apparatus intact would be a useful starting point.


However, i happen to be a military communications specialist (as in, i get paid to make comms happen). While we make extensive use of satellite communications systems, we do have a range of options that are not based on that particular single point of failure (because, Y'know, the russains arent stupid either). Conventional High-Frequency radios, for example, are perfectly capable of talking intercontinental distances, and have been used to do so since the 2nd world war (i have personally seen them talk form a base near Rome to Kandahar airfield, Afghanistan, using a radio system that could be packed up and fit in the back of a pickup truck, though i admit the antennas are much bigger when deployed), with the added bonus that the signal would not be detectable form space (as it "bounces" off a ionised layer of the atmosphere back down to earth). The undersea communications cables, many of which are very high capacity fibre optic cables, would still work, as well (though i concede they would be vulnerable to strikes that hit the links ashore to isolate them).

Their is very little mention of the imperium making use of EW assets, but that might be more because its just not very "sexy" compared to MOAR TANKS! Or, it may be their rather limited understanding of techology means they mostly don't possess the means to actively jam radio comms, which would leave most smaller units relatively untouched in terms of comms.

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Two novels that show of the Imperium's electronic warfare are Red Tithe and the Lords of Mars books. In Red Tithe the Night Lords are shown to have systems that can confuse systems for other Astartes, including auspex and comms. At one point the Charcarodons Captain dismisses his helms own sensors because it shows half of his command squad as dead while he talks to them in person.

Lords of Mars gets into the Admechs methods of encryption and security in the noosphere. I think the reason none of this gets mentioned is that the tech difference between xenos systems makes any connection/interference nearly impossible to begin with.

Pretty sure the Admechs answer to 'can you break Necron encryption' results in the questioner being turned into a servitor and forgotten about.

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Is adamantium mined?

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Veldrain wrote:
I think the reason none of this gets mentioned is that the tech difference between xenos systems makes any connection/interference nearly impossible to begin with.

Pretty sure the Admechs answer to 'can you break Necron encryption' results in the questioner being turned into a servitor and forgotten about.


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