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Servoarm Flailing Magos




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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
We've seen those ages ago haven't we?

Yeah - we first saw the renders almost a year ago.
   
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Looking at their loadout I’m expecting them to follow the trend of typically poor legion terminators.

They either need to be pure combat, fire support or suppression.
Mixing the roles just makes them worse.

Guessing it’s going to be an AP3 chainglaive and volkites/heavy flamers.

So CC weapons that can’t deal with elite troops and ranged weapons that focus on just about scratching troops.


The reason salamander and iron warriors terminators are so highly rated is because they focus on 1 roles and do it insanely well.
They also have gear/rules to back it up.

BA sadly also got the same treatment with their “elite” terminators that really don’t do anything well.
   
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Jackal90 wrote:
Looking at their loadout I’m expecting them to follow the trend of typically poor legion terminators.

They either need to be pure combat, fire support or suppression.
Mixing the roles just makes them worse.

Guessing it’s going to be an AP3 chainglaive and volkites/heavy flamers.

So CC weapons that can’t deal with elite troops and ranged weapons that focus on just about scratching troops.


The reason salamander and iron warriors terminators are so highly rated is because they focus on 1 roles and do it insanely well.
They also have gear/rules to back it up.

BA sadly also got the same treatment with their “elite” terminators that really don’t do anything well.


Their rules are already out, in Crusade.
   
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And the rules are just crap. Custodes Sagittarum Guard level crap.

   
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Explains why I haven’t seen the rules then.
I won’t buy FW books that I don’t get any use from.

Just had a hunt through some reviews of them and yea, they really aren’t good.

Should have either been a new AP2 type CC weapon or a decent ranged option for them.
Hell, even giving them the option to make a teleport move mid game or something fluffy would have gone a long way.
   
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Servoarm Flailing Magos




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Updated Contekar rules

Meet the Night Lords that give the rest of the Legion nightmares - WarCom

Spoiler:
During the Horus Heresy, the Contekar were the Night Lords’ premier shock troops, adept at sowing panic and dismay among their enemies. With their new models coming out soon, we’re taking a look at the lore of these merciless killers.

Terminator terror
Haughty and aloof, the Contekar were made up of recruits from Nostramo’s ruling elite.* Long before the Night Lords turned Traitor, they carried this arrogance as a badge of honour and would only fight alongside those they deemed worthy. And they deemed very few to be worthy.

With friends like these
The Contekar were often dispatched to wrest command from lesser Night Lords leaders whom their commanders considered unfit to prosecute the Legion’s objectives. Anyone who’s ever had their boss ask “can I have a quick word?” knows that icy chill that goes up the backbone. Now imagine it was five midnight-clad Terminators asking…

Weapons of war
Each member of a Contekar unit typically carries a heavy flamer into battle so they can easily burn enemy armies, infrastructure, and agriculture to little more than ash. They also use a Nostraman chainblade, to cut down any that escape their fiery wrath, or occasionally an Escaton power claw. This brutal weapon combines the energy field and mass acceleration of a power fist with the shredding talons of a lightning claw, making it perfect for anyone who can’t choose between their two favourite weapons.

If you’re not already cowering and wailing in abject fear, you may be wondering how to add the Contekar Terminators to your Night Lords Legion. If that’s the case, we’ve got you covered with the rules you need to lead these menacing beasts into battle.

The new Contekar Terminator Elite models will be available to pre-order on Friday. In the meantime, grab a Night Lords Legion Praetor so that they have someone to accompany into battle.

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I dont have the current rules from the book in front of me, but that doesnt look like they changed anything.
   
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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I dont have the current rules from the book in front of me, but that doesnt look like they changed anything.


Quick glance: gone up 20 points, Ld9
   
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That...seems not great for an already not particularly great looking (rules wise) unit.

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For whatever reason, FW is really bad at designing proper "Legion" terminator units. Just to start off with, I think any non-basic terminator should have 2W right off the bat, and then go from there.
   
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Is it just me or did they double in points?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is it just me or did they double in points?

Squad went up from 230 to 250, extra bodies from 36 to 40.
   
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I'm confused, in what world did they playtest this unit and find them too strong?
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
I'm confused, in what world did they playtest this unit and find them too strong?

The only other change I can spot is that the basic Contekar went up to Ld9 - the same as the Dissident squad leader.
   
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What's the point, honestly? Ld9 doesn't change a thing, because they will get stomped by pretty much any other snowflake terminator unit.
And they will also chew through any power armor unit, where they won't need their LD as well.

I wonder, how many people are actually behind the Heresy rules atm? 1?


Oh, and if anyone has the info of what % of GWs revenue comes from Forge World - do share

   
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 CragHack wrote:
I wonder, how many people are actually behind the Heresy rules atm? 1?

The guy who was pushing 30k (who's name I'm currently drawing a blank on) left GW a few months ago, so who knows?

 CragHack wrote:
Oh, and if anyone has the info of what % of GWs revenue comes from Forge World - do share

Unfortunately they don't mention it in their financial reports.
   
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beast_gts wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is it just me or did they double in points?

Squad went up from 230 to 250, extra bodies from 36 to 40.

Huh. I vaguely remember them being 150 which seemed like a fair deal. Theyre definitely not worth 250 points.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Even better for them then lol.

I thought the BA terminators has it bad with the hand they got dealt, these poor guys were hung out to dry.
Poor profile and unsure what they want to do as a role.

Chapter terminators ideally need 2 wounds base.
They then need to be dedicated to either shooting or combat.
From there, the rules need to backup that role.

Missing any of these just kills them.
   
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I missed the rules for the BA ones. What did they do?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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For these types of terminator they need to be lower points then the specialists, not equal. Raising points makes no sense.
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I missed the rules for the BA ones. What did they do?



CC based unit.
Massively heavy on points but low on stats.
AP3 blades with AP2 on the sgt.
their rules basically make them get stronger as they become outnumbered.
Problem is, by the point it becomes useful, they are already dead or so far gone they can’t do anything.

Part of a fast moving army so needs a transport to get about reliably.


For their elite terminators they are a joke.
Better off taking dawnbreakers for less points, faster and far harder hitting.
   
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 CragHack wrote:


I wonder, how many people are actually behind the Heresy rules atm? 1?




Apparently it was Anuj and one other person, and Anuj is moving on to a different company(Creative Assembly? Think they're the guys behind the Total War games). So at the moment the 30K design team is a single person.

   
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Imagine making an entirely different weapon profile only to create an already existing weapon unique to the legion but just -1 strength. This is the kind of petty nerfs that are just absolutely annoying beyond belief. This unit is trash tier. Literally give them Chain-GLAIVES, and give them Volkite CULVERINS. Fulimentarus and Siege tyrants already exist. Hell, even space wolf Varagyr can take 10 reaper autocannons or heavy flamers. Whoever wrote these rules, and then updated them with points nerfs are absolutely mental.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Additionally, all Terminators should have two wounds. Legion Terminators should get veteran tactics.

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As a side note to the already depressing stats of these terminators.
What will be in this kit?

Loadout wise:
5x volkites
5x heavy flamers
5x chainglaives
1x power claw.

That’s everything covered I think, but I wouldn’t mind betting that most of it is missed from the actual kit.

BA dawnbreakers are a good example here.
They literally have a spear in the kit plus wrist mounted launcher.
One look at the rules and you realise they are missing a lot with no actual parts available for the rest.

I’m predicting: no claw in the kit.
4 chainglaives.
A mix of around 7-8 flamers/volkites.
That way it’s not enough to arm the whole unit with one or the other.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:

Apparently it was Anuj and one other person


Anuj! That's his name! Found his post now -

Anuj Malhotra wrote:I've had a fantastic time writing the narratives of, designing the rules for and concepting many of the models for the Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness game over the last few years with Forge World, but it's time for me to leave the crusade, and to begin my next great project.
I'm incredibly proud of the work I've done on the Horus Heresy and what I've achieved at Forge World. I'm also very confident in the game's future - some of the best is yet to come. Given the way we work years ahead of releases, you'll keep seeing my invisible hand on things for a long while yet, and I'll keep consulting and play-testing for the team for as long as they'll have me.
I want to thank the overwhelmingly talented people I've had the opportunity to work alongside again, as well as all of the super passionate fans of the game who I've enjoyed meeting and who've given the team so much useful feedback. I did it for you guys in the community, you've been excellent.
Lastly, a special shout out to my partner in heresy, Neil Wylie, for being an exceptional person to work with and continuing to be the driving force behind everything that's cool in the Age of Darkness. It has been just the two of us writing and designing these last few years, and I have every faith in him for the future.
As for me, from tomorrow I'll be designing computer games with Creative Assembly. Incredibly excited.


So yeah, it's just Neil Wylie doing it now.
   
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Well. That's that. Seems they [FW] haven't got a clue what to do with Heresy at the moment, at least that's what I get from the outside.

They really should do some sort of roadmap like they did for Necromunda if for nothing else then at least showing us a vague idea that something is happening....
   
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Do we have any idea what's coming next? IIRC the plan (from several years ago) was a wrap-up book then onto the Siege.

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beast_gts wrote:
Do we have any idea what's coming next? IIRC the plan (from several years ago) was a wrap-up book then onto the Siege.


Well, they could start releasing Legion specific Leviathans
   
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well, they could start releasing Legion specific Leviathans

They've only done 4, so that's 14 more releases right there!

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beast_gts wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well, they could start releasing Legion specific Leviathans

They've only done 4, so that's 14 more releases right there!


Exactly! Once they've finished that they can do Chaos tainted Traitor Primarchs.
On a more serious note, the Imperial Guard equivalent troops are pretty light on choices, no?
   
 
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