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BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!

Lumping csm in with loyalists is bullgak.

How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Red corsairs got 1 warlord trait, 1 relic and 1 strat, the same level of support evil sunz have at present. A far cry from what the main legions get access to.

You've also literally just said you're decrying a wolves player because marines got releases. Space wolves didn't get a release, codex space marines did, it's not the fault of space wolves players that GW rolled the marine releases into their book with nothing unique for them.

I don't see your issue with the Red Corsairs, they have as much support as my sub faction and I don't expect PA will give Evil Sunz more, unlike your main legions, but we'll see. It's off topic either way.

I feel like SM players need to pick a side with their arguments - I have been told time and time again that the Phobos datasheets released in the PA supplements for non-codex Marine chapters for some reason shouldn't count as 'new content' but you're telling me that SW didn't get a release when they dropped a few month back which implies to me the exact opposite. I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


It's no less off topic than berating people for wanting a SW character, especially when it relates to an ork subfaction getting more content in the next book (even if it is more than a chaos marine faction).

Marines share a common core range, they have to or you'd need vastly more marine clogged release cycle as seen in previous editions. Giving them the core units in parity with the marine codex isn't giving them a release, that's just having their core units updated. The new release was for codex space marines, pa is giving space wolves access to the new units in the core of the space marine range.

Space wolves, dark angels etc. Are not sub factions of codex space marines. That is why they're gifted unique units. Until they stop being a unique army and become a supplement, this will not change.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!


And sadly that just continues the every deepening spiral of haves (Marines) and everyone else....and yet another reason why they should been given supplements when they had the chance.- its still super special treatment but apparently not enough for some.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!


And sadly that just continues the every deepening spiral of haves (Marines) and everyone else....and yet another reason why they should been given supplements when they had the chance.- its still super special treatment but apparently not enough for some.


I assume it’s because it makes them money, more than giving them special treatment per say. I would sort of consider DG and TS as the same kind of thing. Obviously GW don’t think Xenon quite make them enough money to do the same thing to, though it would be rad.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
Do we think Ghaz is actually going to have stat changes? Have any of the other characters who’ve been updated seem much change? Mephiston saw the obligatory Primaris improvements, so maybe we’ll just see a little bit of a stat buff for him?

I made an assumption (based on absolutely nothing) regarding his statline in the Ork thread. While it would probably make suffer overall, I truly do believe that GW will push him past 9 Wounds. Makari himself is now going to be 4 wounds (and they're part of the same release even, so it'll look extra silly IMO) and I don't think GW will feel beholden to keep him at fewer than 10 wounds to keep a competitive edge. Let's be honest, out of all the reimagined and updated characters so far in 8th he seems to be the one that's changed the most. It's all speculation of course but considering how well someone like Mortarion has sold I'm guessing GW would want something similar available to Orks..
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!


And sadly that just continues the every deepening spiral of haves (Marines) and everyone else....and yet another reason why they should been given supplements when they had the chance.- its still super special treatment but apparently not enough for some.


A supplement makes sense for the marine books, however they've been unique armys for what, 4/5 editions? It's not like the main chapters are new.
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Csm have special, unique units? I'm assuming you're talking about Death Guard and Thousand Sons because the non aligned legions got jack .

And Jack left town.


What about everything in Shadowspear?


Shadowspear isn't Legion-specific. CSM do get some unique units for different Legions (mostly characters) like Haarken Worldclaimer, Abbadon, Fabius Bile, the Night Lords specific Chaos Lord model,Huron Blackheart and Lucius the Eternal.

Still more than Salamanders get with only Vulkan.

Space Wolves get more, but they're closer to Thousand Sons or Death Guard in terms of being their own unique faction.
   
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Any bets on Ghaz size? 60 or 80mm?
   
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I'm convinced he's on an 80mm, that seems the most likely when trying to compare him to Makaris base (obviously a flawed science though)
   
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PiñaColada wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Do we think Ghaz is actually going to have stat changes? Have any of the other characters who’ve been updated seem much change? Mephiston saw the obligatory Primaris improvements, so maybe we’ll just see a little bit of a stat buff for him?

I made an assumption (based on absolutely nothing) regarding his statline in the Ork thread. While it would probably make suffer overall, I truly do believe that GW will push him past 9 Wounds. Makari himself is now going to be 4 wounds (and they're part of the same release even, so it'll look extra silly IMO) and I don't think GW will feel beholden to keep him at fewer than 10 wounds to keep a competitive edge. Let's be honest, out of all the reimagined and updated characters so far in 8th he seems to be the one that's changed the most. It's all speculation of course but considering how well someone like Mortarion has sold I'm guessing GW would want something similar available to Orks..


He just wouldn’t have the speed that Mortarion or Magnus have so it would be quite sad, unless he got some crazy defensive rules.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
PiñaColada wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Do we think Ghaz is actually going to have stat changes? Have any of the other characters who’ve been updated seem much change? Mephiston saw the obligatory Primaris improvements, so maybe we’ll just see a little bit of a stat buff for him?

I made an assumption (based on absolutely nothing) regarding his statline in the Ork thread. While it would probably make suffer overall, I truly do believe that GW will push him past 9 Wounds. Makari himself is now going to be 4 wounds (and they're part of the same release even, so it'll look extra silly IMO) and I don't think GW will feel beholden to keep him at fewer than 10 wounds to keep a competitive edge. Let's be honest, out of all the reimagined and updated characters so far in 8th he seems to be the one that's changed the most. It's all speculation of course but considering how well someone like Mortarion has sold I'm guessing GW would want something similar available to Orks..


He just wouldn’t have the speed that Mortarion or Magnus have so it would be quite sad, unless he got some crazy defensive rules.


How fast do manz move? 4"? Because that would be hilarious.
   
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PiñaColada wrote:
I'm convinced he's on an 80mm, that seems the most likely when trying to compare him to Makaris base (obviously a flawed science though)


Looking at this image on google, I think he’s going to be roughly the same kind of size as Guilliman, maybe a bit bigger. But I think he’s on a 60mm. It is quite hard to tell though.


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Dudeface wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
PiñaColada wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Do we think Ghaz is actually going to have stat changes? Have any of the other characters who’ve been updated seem much change? Mephiston saw the obligatory Primaris improvements, so maybe we’ll just see a little bit of a stat buff for him?

I made an assumption (based on absolutely nothing) regarding his statline in the Ork thread. While it would probably make suffer overall, I truly do believe that GW will push him past 9 Wounds. Makari himself is now going to be 4 wounds (and they're part of the same release even, so it'll look extra silly IMO) and I don't think GW will feel beholden to keep him at fewer than 10 wounds to keep a competitive edge. Let's be honest, out of all the reimagined and updated characters so far in 8th he seems to be the one that's changed the most. It's all speculation of course but considering how well someone like Mortarion has sold I'm guessing GW would want something similar available to Orks..


He just wouldn’t have the speed that Mortarion or Magnus have so it would be quite sad, unless he got some crazy defensive rules.


How fast do manz move? 4"? Because that would be hilarious.


Yep haha, although currently Ghaz goes a whopping 5”. He’s a fast boi.
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Girlyman is on 60????
gak I thought it was 80, maybe cause he´s so slim and all.

Then yeah, probably he´s on 60.
   
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 Asmodai wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Csm have special, unique units? I'm assuming you're talking about Death Guard and Thousand Sons because the non aligned legions got jack .

And Jack left town.


What about everything in Shadowspear?


Shadowspear isn't Legion-specific. CSM do get some unique units for different Legions (mostly characters) like Haarken Worldclaimer, Abbadon, Fabius Bile, the Night Lords specific Chaos Lord model,Huron Blackheart and Lucius the Eternal.

Still more than Salamanders get with only Vulkan.

Space Wolves get more, but they're closer to Thousand Sons or Death Guard in terms of being their own unique faction.

You really think an ancient, metal model with no unique rules counts as a unique unit?

And Ghaz will probably go to 10 or more wounds. He'll be the ork equivalent of Mortarian and Magnus.

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Well, obviously Ghaz would have to get a significant speed increase if they make him a primeork (I don't think we need another thread with me deraiing it with speculation about primeork ghaz stats).

Regarding the base size, I really don't think it's a 60mm after having tried to place a 25mm in front of a 60mm in roughly the same positions it just doesn't look the same to me. Also, they've posed the models on a sector imperialis board and while I don't have one of those near me now judging by how large the base seem in relation to the features on that board it just doesn't seem possible that he's "just" on a 60 to me. Hopefully this is all answered soon enough.
   
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Ghaz is said to move very fast in the fiction. He's described like space marines are "moving faster than something that big should".
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
You really think an ancient, metal model with no unique rules counts as a unique unit?

And Ghaz will probably go to 10 or more wounds. He'll be the ork equivalent of Mortarian and Magnus.

As someone correctly pointed out, we can still tellyport him unless he goes above 400 points.

It's also possible that GW for some reason thinks that having Makari with four 2++ wounds is a good way to push him to primarch power without losing character protection.

In any case, Thrakka is more of a fighter leading from the frontlines like Gulliman than a natural disasters which herald the end of a world like Magnus or Mortarion.
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:

In any case, Thrakka is more of a fighter leading from the frontlines like Gulliman than a natural disasters which herald the end of a world like Magnus or Mortarion.
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Horus had to save the Emperor from being strangled by an ork once.
   
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Arguably, the Beast was stronger than Vulkan in their 1 on 1.
   
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JWBS wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:

In any case, Thrakka is more of a fighter leading from the frontlines like Gulliman than a natural disasters which herald the end of a world like Magnus or Mortarion.
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Horus had to save the Emperor from being strangled by an ork once.


Thrakka is a tad bid smaller than that ork

Spoiler:

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
You really think an ancient, metal model with no unique rules counts as a unique unit?

And Ghaz will probably go to 10 or more wounds. He'll be the ork equivalent of Mortarian and Magnus.

As someone correctly pointed out, we can still tellyport him unless he goes above 400 points.

It's also possible that GW for some reason thinks that having Makari with four 2++ wounds is a good way to push him to primarch power without losing character protection.

In any case, Thrakka is more of a fighter leading from the frontlines like Gulliman than a natural disasters which herald the end of a world like Magnus or Mortarion.
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Yeah I thought of that as well. Keep Makari out front in order to prevent Ghaz from being targeted. But hiding behind a grot doesn't sound like Ghaz's style.
   
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 Esmer wrote:
Arguably, the Beast was stronger than Vulkan in their 1 on 1.


He stomped Vulkan. He (Vulkan) had to sacrifice himself to try and kill The Beast and that failed.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!

.............And where is my Evil Sunz codex bro? Why does one sub faction deserve it's own codex and special units while another doesn't? This is off topic anyways at this point but I think you understand my point, right?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’m not sure how I’d feel about him giving above 10W, though depends how they go about it I guess. Just typically anyone like that get focused and murdered before they do anything. I also like squeezing him into transports.

You're not wrong, though it would be somewhat.......unrealistic(?) if that's the right word, for Ghazzy, as big as he looks, to fit in a Trukk he is literally larger than

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Lumping csm in with loyalists is bullgak.

How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).

Why are you getting so sensitive about this? I'm merely stating facts - CSM and SM are the only factions in the game AFAIK that have sub faction specific units and that was my point. I had forgotten about CSM while I was writing my post to be honest because, for some daft reason I forgot that "Death Guard" and "Thousand Sons" were once 'mere' sub factions of CSM like my Evil Sunz are. It's not a diss on Chaos players or attack, just a statement of fact.

JSG wrote:
Ghaz is said to move very fast in the fiction. He's described like space marines are "moving faster than something that big should".

Oooh great catch. Perhaps a sign of what to expect.

 Jidmah wrote:
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Dude The Beast, the actual Beast kicked the gak out of Vulkan. Big time. It was more than an equal footing.

Also - consider that the only being, apart from Horus (Chaos incarnate?) himself that came close to killing the Emperor was an Ork. Not even THE Ork warlord of the Great Crusade. A freaking Big (BIIIIIIGGG) Mek. Almost took him right out. Horus had to save his golden ass.

You're not wrong though, the plot armour is too strong when it comes to a Primarch vs anything. I just hope Ghaz isn't embarassed by Ragnar as that would be a bit of a downer. Ghaz should be Primarch level simply by virtue of his standing in the Ork fiction and faction.

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 Carnikang wrote:
Man, I'm glad people don't care about Tyranid characters.

I will say that's one of the few things GW did right with the current Tyranid codex. Because of how the other special characters worked, I figured they were going to make the Tyranid ones Hive Fleet locked. Lo and behold, each Hive Fleet gets to make their own.

That said, that doesn't mean the current Hive Fleet traits are good or well written at points but there ya go.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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AngryAngel80 wrote:
Aside from generic models that every space marine got,

Why are you setting those models aside? It makes no sense. Those are space wolves models playable on a space wolves army, and very likely the future of all space wolves armies.
So just stop putting them aside when counting what new models space wolves got.
Going by your weird metrics, my army got 0 new models, despite my entire range being rebooted, because none of the new models are exclusive to the order of the ebon lance .

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Spoiler:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!

.............And where is my Evil Sunz codex bro? Why does one sub faction deserve it's own codex and special units while another doesn't? This is off topic anyways at this point but I think you understand my point, right?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’m not sure how I’d feel about him giving above 10W, though depends how they go about it I guess. Just typically anyone like that get focused and murdered before they do anything. I also like squeezing him into transports.

You're not wrong, though it would be somewhat.......unrealistic(?) if that's the right word, for Ghazzy, as big as he looks, to fit in a Trukk he is literally larger than

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Lumping csm in with loyalists is bullgak.

How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).

Why are you getting so sensitive about this? I'm merely stating facts - CSM and SM are the only factions in the game AFAIK that have sub faction specific units and that was my point. I had forgotten about CSM while I was writing my post to be honest because, for some daft reason I forgot that "Death Guard" and "Thousand Sons" were once 'mere' sub factions of CSM like my Evil Sunz are. It's not a diss on Chaos players or attack, just a statement of fact.

JSG wrote:
Ghaz is said to move very fast in the fiction. He's described like space marines are "moving faster than something that big should".

Oooh great catch. Perhaps a sign of what to expect.

 Jidmah wrote:
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Dude The Beast, the actual Beast kicked the gak out of Vulkan. Big time. It was more than an equal footing.

Also - consider that the only being, apart from Horus (Chaos incarnate?) himself that came close to killing the Emperor was an Ork. Not even THE Ork warlord of the Great Crusade. A freaking Big (BIIIIIIGGG) Mek. Almost took him right out. Horus had to save his golden ass.

You're not wrong though, the plot armour is too strong when it comes to a Primarch vs anything. I just hope Ghaz isn't embarassed by Ragnar as that would be a bit of a downer. Ghaz should be Primarch level simply by virtue of his standing in the Ork fiction and faction.



Daemon primarchs have existed in current 40k fiction for more than 5 seconds, so they've already gotten worf effected to hell and back to show how great the marines are. Magnus has already lost to Guilliman in a fight, at this point I'm willing to bet mortarion will lose to a single member of the next new primaris unit.

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"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Spoiler:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?


... because they have their own codices?

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!

.............And where is my Evil Sunz codex bro? Why does one sub faction deserve it's own codex and special units while another doesn't? This is off topic anyways at this point but I think you understand my point, right?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’m not sure how I’d feel about him giving above 10W, though depends how they go about it I guess. Just typically anyone like that get focused and murdered before they do anything. I also like squeezing him into transports.

You're not wrong, though it would be somewhat.......unrealistic(?) if that's the right word, for Ghazzy, as big as he looks, to fit in a Trukk he is literally larger than

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Lumping csm in with loyalists is bullgak.

How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).

Why are you getting so sensitive about this? I'm merely stating facts - CSM and SM are the only factions in the game AFAIK that have sub faction specific units and that was my point. I had forgotten about CSM while I was writing my post to be honest because, for some daft reason I forgot that "Death Guard" and "Thousand Sons" were once 'mere' sub factions of CSM like my Evil Sunz are. It's not a diss on Chaos players or attack, just a statement of fact.

JSG wrote:
Ghaz is said to move very fast in the fiction. He's described like space marines are "moving faster than something that big should".

Oooh great catch. Perhaps a sign of what to expect.

 Jidmah wrote:
Keep in mind that The Beast from the novels fought on equal footing with non-daemon primarchs. IMO neither it nor Thrakka today would be a match for a Daemon Primarch.

Dude The Beast, the actual Beast kicked the gak out of Vulkan. Big time. It was more than an equal footing.

Also - consider that the only being, apart from Horus (Chaos incarnate?) himself that came close to killing the Emperor was an Ork. Not even THE Ork warlord of the Great Crusade. A freaking Big (BIIIIIIGGG) Mek. Almost took him right out. Horus had to save his golden ass.

You're not wrong though, the plot armour is too strong when it comes to a Primarch vs anything. I just hope Ghaz isn't embarassed by Ragnar as that would be a bit of a downer. Ghaz should be Primarch level simply by virtue of his standing in the Ork fiction and faction.



Daemon primarchs have existed in current 40k fiction for more than 5 seconds, so they've already gotten worf effected to hell and back to show how great the marines are. Magnus has already lost to Guilliman in a fight, at this point I'm willing to bet mortarion will lose to a single member of the next new primaris unit.

Yes but in the grand tier of "who has the greatest plot armour, daddy?" we all know that the rankings are as follows; Cato Sicarius, The Emperor, Loyalist Characters, Chaos Characters, Xenos, Daemons, this brick I found on the floor, Swarmlord, actual literal garbage, Skarbrand.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yes but in the grand tier of "who has the greatest plot armour, daddy?" we all know that the rankings are as follows; Cato Sicarius, The Emperor, Loyalist Characters, Chaos Characters, Xenos, Daemons, this brick I found on the floor, Swarmlord, actual literal garbage, Skarbrand.

bs and you know it, Celestine get punked all the time.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yes but in the grand tier of "who has the greatest plot armour, daddy?" we all know that the rankings are as follows; Cato Sicarius, The Emperor, Loyalist Characters, Chaos Characters, Xenos, Daemons, this brick I found on the floor, Swarmlord, actual literal garbage, Skarbrand.

bs and you know it, Celestine get punked all the time.

Ooooh I forgot Celestine, somewhere between actual garbage and Skarbrand?
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yes but in the grand tier of "who has the greatest plot armour, daddy?" we all know that the rankings are as follows; Cato Sicarius, The Emperor, Loyalist Characters, Chaos Characters, Xenos, Daemons, this brick I found on the floor, Swarmlord, actual literal garbage, Skarbrand.

bs and you know it, Celestine get punked all the time.


Tbf, her whole schtick is dying and coming back. Gotta keep that patented "living saint" name by getting back up after being murdered.

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