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Well, it's time I leave the warp and my chaos pals and get another army. This has always been an Im-probable feat for me as I am terribly bad at sticking with armies. However, my sheer determination to actually finish an army and be proud of it is driving me nuts, so, I am stating priorities that hopefully you guys can use to recommend me an army.

Price: Cheapness is key for me, as I am only 14 and don't have a paper round or anything like that.

Painting: I am an avid painter and having an army that is fun to paint is a priority. ( these last 2 have pretty much ruled out IG

Playstyle: competitive and fun. Preferably long range, as my last 2 armies have been CC, although I am worried if I will like the long range play style.

This is it really. Thanks in advance

Space Wolves fulfill all of these criteria.

-As cheap as any other Sm army (not to mention expensive vehicles and jump troops are awful)

-Characterful models that are great for painting

-Competitive, as fun as any other SM army (with some additional tricks) and long fangs are quite shooty.

I'd recommend Necrons. Points-wise they're not as cheap as many other armies, so you end up fielding less models (at least in some configurations). Everyone says Necrons are easy to paint, and while that may be true, there is a lot you can do with them above and beyond a simple metallic spray. As far as competitiveness, Necrons are among the most competitive right now. Finally, while they're a predominately shooty army, they also have some superb CC units that you can mix in to better fit your play style.

I have had neccies in the past so no more, and what armies are there outside of sm? More shooty


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Another criteria I missed out: fluff you can play around with. I just love making my own chapters e.t.c

I'm looking at SW too, and (legally) downloaded the Codex and they 1. Look pretty cool 2. Fluffwise they are pretty fun 3. The army is pretty customisable 4.You can make an elite army of the terminators or PA Wolfguard (Logan Grimnar makes them troops) so therefore (while boxes are expensive) you need fewer models. Tau are pretty shooty but weak in cc, but they are getting an update soon (allegedly)

Nice profile picture by the way

Thanks. Yea it's a codex reference. I always thought sw to be cc though. Any recommendations as to what I should get to start me off?


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Matt Ward codex referance

Space Wolves are one of those armies that does everything well.

Yes, their standard Troops choice is pretty much balanced towards being a CC squad what with ultragrit, wulfen and power swords as special weapons.

Howver, they're also very good at shooting and can take two special weapons, including plasmaguns if they so choose.

Long Fangs are arguably the best heavy weapon squad in the game, with the ability to take up to 5 heavy weapons and the split fire rule, meaning you can multi-role them unlike standard devastator, havoc or retributor squads (of which retributors are probably the next best thing).

Rune Priests provide excellent battlefield control and long ranged psionic support powers.

Wolf Guard Terminators can be excellent fire support units with cylcone missile launchers and storm bolters, or you can split them up to make squad leaders for your other units.

Yup.

Space Wolves. They do everything better for less points.

What more do you want?

Outside of SM, you could go for Dark Eldar.

DE have a decent blend of shooty and close combat elements between Splinter Cannons, Dark Lances, Blasters, and Splinter Rifles galore on one side, and lots of options for at initiative ap2, and Haywire grenades which will delete tanks in assault.

The downside to DE, is that they are very fragile. The army tends to play with skimmers which kite around the enemy hailing them with shooting, and rewarding anybody capable of closing the gap with an Archon to the face. You can even put night shields on all of your skimmers to give enemy shooting a few hurdles to get through. Oftentimes beast packs are taken as well- they are one of the premier assault units in the game right now, right around the level of harlequins and THSS terminators

They also recently got redone, and have some of the best models GW has put out in a long time. They aren't the cheapest army that you could collect, but remember they are Elves, so still considerably cheaper than Guard, and also cheaper than Eldar since they don't have to deal with Aspect Warrior prices.

Dark Eldar also have much more flexible fluff than Space Wolves, which have a rather rigid fluff that fanboys get upset when you start playing with. So just be warned, people have a NASTY tendancy to raise eyebrows when you homebrew a space marine chapter and use Space Wolves codex, which they do not do when you create your own Kabal of Dark Eldar. The only reason for this is the Space Wolf codex was written specifically for the fluff of a specific chapter of Space Marines, it even says in the codex that successor chapters of the Space Wolves have all failed. As a result, when space marine players home brew their own chapter and use the Space Wolf rules, a disapointingly large amount of people feel like the peope who are doing that are "taking advantage" of the Wolf Codex, and that they are WAAC players who don't care about the fluff. I am not saying that I feel this way, I am just saying DO NOT BE SUPRISED WHEN PEOPLE GIVE YOU A HARD TIME.

Eh, back when I played Marines I used the Space Wolf codex (admittedly it was the previous edition) and no-one really cared that I was 'ignoring their fluff'.

Right, of course it will depend heavily on your group of players. I am just saying it can and does happen more than it should, just look around these forums!