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So the impaler cannon can shoot without line of sight but if something is behind cover, it still gets a cover save correct?

OK, what exactly is considered area terrain? I get confused my terrain.

So, for example, if the target is a vehicle/tank on a hill, in ruins, or behind forest?

Does the same apply to a troop on a hill, in ruins, or behind a forest?

 Grey Templar wrote:

But you have to be in the terrain to get the cover save, otherwise the 25% rule still applies. And vehicles don't get cover from just being in area terrain, they must be 25% covered.

This is clear as mud to me. But then again I'm slow.

Do vehicles in area terrain not get a cover save?

Is the top of a hill area terrain? I understand LOS and if there is a hill between the impaler and the target, I would understand getting a cover save. But what if the target is on area terrain (hill) and LOS is not blocked?

Here are 4 different examples. #1 and #2 are in a 12"x12" ruined building (No LOS), #3 is on top of a hill (Has LOS), #4 is behind a wall (No LOS), and #5 is partially obscured by a wall (No LOS).

What is the cover save, if any, for each example?

Still not getting it.

Dont ruins confer a 4+ save? So would #1 and #2 get a cover save for the ruins or for the hill?

Why does vehicle #4 or #5 need to touch to get a cover save?

So if they are in area terrain, they do not get a cover save? They have to be 25% obscured to get a cover save?

Also, why doesn't #4 get a cover save since it is obscured by the wall?

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Vehicles can only receive cover saves from Impaler Cannons if you satisfy three conditions:
1. You are in or touching a piece of terrain.
2. It lies between the Hive Guard and the vehicle.
3. That piece of terrain obscures 25% of the vehicle, ignoring all other terrain pieces.

Also, while you don't get cover saves from the Stealth or Shrouded special rules while in the open, if you would receive cover saves anyway (satisfying the three conditions above) they do add to the save.

This helps. Ok, so example #4 would not get a cover save because it would satisfy 2 and 3 but not 1,it is not touching the wall. If it is touching the wall, it would get a 5+ cover save, correct?

I thought area terrain did not provide a cover save to vehicles because they are so big, I do not have the rulebook in front of me so can't verify this. Could have swore I read this in the BRB though.

If area terrain does provide vehicle cover, would a tank in a forest receive cover save? It wouldn't necessarily be 25% obscured (ie, laying the tank on top of a green cloth you designate as forest) but it would be touching and would lie between Hive Guard and vehicle.

 Grey Templar wrote:
So being in a forest and 25% obscured gives you a 5+ cover. Being in and not 25% obscured gives you no cover.

Since I cannot see the facing, does that incur a -1 cover save? So does #1 and #2 get a 3++ cover save (4++ for being in Ruins and -1 for not being able to see the facing)?