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I want to run a fun unit of henchmen, but I also need to purchase an inquisitor. So, I have a few questions about making a shooty support unit:

1. Are two crusaders a good idea? And since they have low initiative, should I give them power axes, or use power swords?

2. Which inquisitor is the shootiest, and what should I throw on him/her?

3. I want to run quite a few Warrior Acolytes. Is the hot shot lasgun a good option, or should I just stick with the bolter? And are plasma guns good ideas for them as well?

4. Would death cult assassins be a good idea for when the unit gets charged? Or should I just buy more crusaders?

I'm fairly open to what to run, so throw your suggestions my way!

I don't play GK as a primary codex, but I ally them into my Blood Angels so I can try and help a bit.

1. Crusaders sitting in the front can give them a bit more survivability. Power axes work best on them IMO. Considering a power sword is only *really* good against MEQ...and MEQ are I4, you might as well be I1 anyway with +1S AP2.

2. Not quite sure who is the shootiest, but Coteaz is a beast and a bargain for what you get. 100 points for mastery 2 divination psyker that makes your opponent reroll STI and is a deep strike deterrent? Yes please.

3. Bolter all the way. Hot shot is very overpriced, 1 point for the bolter is always worth it unless you're making a melee oriented squad. I personally also like to bring 3 plasmaguns. This turns the squad into very much a glass cannon, but they pack a powerful punch. Prescience from Coteaz can help mitigate all the Gets Hot! rolls.

4. DCA are great in a concentrated melee unit that focuses on charging the enemy. IMO they are a waste in a shooting oriented henchmen squad. If you want a counter-charge unit, bring a counter-charge unit (ex. a couple crusaders and DCA) in addition instead of mixing shooting and melee in one unit.


I'd also consider putting them in a Chimera. The squads are NOT very durable, and a Chimera helps that quite a bit. If it explodes you can always throw most of the wounds on Coteaz and hope his 2+ absorbs most of it. It has 5 fire points, so you can have all your special weapons shoot out of it in addition to the multi-laser. Gives them some mobility to cap an objective too.

Another consideration if you want some more heavy weapons fire is to add a couple servitors to the squad. They are VERY cheap for what you get. Either a MM or pay for the plasma cannon upgrade if you want. Just make sure you keep Coteaz in the squad so they don't lock up.

Tman has a lot of good suggestions. I'll throw mine in as well.

Coteaz with 11 warriors, 3 plasma guns and boltguns just like tman suggested. Chimera

If you want to get real crazy try...
coteaz, 3 warriors with plasma guns and 8 psykers for the str10 ap1 large blast. Chimera

For shooty warriors I would always get plasma as you're getting them at a discount. Death Cults with Crusaders are great but not mixed with shooting units.

Shooty Inquisitor: Ordos Malleus, Terminator Armor, Psy Can, Prescience w/3xPlasgun Acolyte/7x Psykers/: Hang the Inquisitor, 3 Plasguns & 1 Psyker out the top of a Chimera and go for nice Sunday drive!
... Pretty ridiculous really!

How are heavybolter serviotrs? was thinking would be an ok cheap back fielder, with a cheap inquis with divination for rerolls. and toss in a monkey for laughs

I think the heavy bolter servitors are so cheap you could take them and forgo the inquisitor. 50-50 they can shoot.

I ran Coteaz with a full unit of storm bolter 3x plasma gun warriors. Behind an Aegis. It worked really well with some rifleman dreads backing them up.

That's sad that hot shots are overpriced, they looked really fun to use, and AP 3 looked real nice too.

So would crusaders be good defenders in the shooty squad?

I definitely will throw them in a chimera. That seems mandatory.

Plasma guns were definitely on the top of my list when I was building a shooting squad

HB servitors seem like a good idea too. Just for extra shots at a cheap point cost.

Coteaz seems fun, but I'm not running a Henchman-heavy army. Even if I only probably wanted two squads of henchmen, would he be a good option still? I'm still very picky on my HQ, but if he saved me from filling my HQ slots with Inquisitors, I'd be fine with that.

In an assault squad, would flamers be a good idea? Flamers + DCA + Crusaders?

 Demdiddydizzy wrote:
That's sad that hot shots are overpriced, they looked really fun to use, and AP 3 looked real nice too.

So would crusaders be good defenders in the shooty squad?

I definitely will throw them in a chimera. That seems mandatory.

Plasma guns were definitely on the top of my list when I was building a shooting squad

HB servitors seem like a good idea too. Just for extra shots at a cheap point cost.

Coteaz seems fun, but I'm not running a Henchman-heavy army. Even if I only probably wanted two squads of henchmen, would he be a good option still? I'm still very picky on my HQ, but if he saved me from filling my HQ slots with Inquisitors, I'd be fine with that.

In an assault squad, would flamers be a good idea? Flamers + DCA + Crusaders?

Honestly, Coteaz is worth bringing without ANY henchmen. A lot of GK lists run him simply because he is one of THE most point efficient HQs in the game for what he does (until the new DA libby came out). The toolbox he brings for his point cost is just great. That being said, if you were tight on points you could just bring a normal inquisitor.

Also keep in mind that Multi-melta servitors are the same cost as HB servitors. I kind of like the MM servitors, if anything it discourages any tanks from getting too close to that Chimera.

The monkeys can be fun to use too if you have spare points. Getting extra range on a meltagun can be nasty, just don't rely on them too much!

I like Henchmen a lot, but if Coteaz is a really good HQ, I think I'll run him for the benefit of running multiple squads of Henchmen.

Yeah, I was just saying HB servitors because I have those on hand. I sadly have no Multi-Meltas to convert.

I'm not too interested in them. Maybe if I had spare points.

 Demdiddydizzy wrote:
I like Henchmen a lot, but if Coteaz is a really good HQ, I think I'll run him for the benefit of running multiple squads of Henchmen.

Yeah, I was just saying HB servitors because I have those on hand. I sadly have no Multi-Meltas to convert.

I'm not too interested in them. Maybe if I had spare points.

Even just bringing one squad of henchmen is worth it enough to bring Coteaz IMO. Making them scoring gives you a pretty decent home base squad to camp an objective in cover and threaten anything trying to take it from them. If I played GK as a main army though I'd probably bring at least 2-3 squads of henchmen. Cheap scoring bodies in this edition are great.

Coteaz, 3 multimelta servators, 7 storm bolter warriors, 2 monkeys,

They man the defense line with Coteaz on the Icarus.
Remember the monkeys shoot with lascannons, multimelta or heavy flamer.
With the roll on the chart, I'm hoping for either more range or rending.

-Matt

I like to run:
Coteaz with rolls on the divination table for prescience and hopefully perfect timing, but forewarning or misfortune are fine too. (divination psychic table is pretty much all good apart from scriers gaze, and even that is still mildly useful)
2 jokaero for the multi-weapons (primarily las cannons) and potential range and/or armor class buffs.
3 servitors with multi-meltas
3 special weapons acolytes with plasma rifles
a few cheap acolytes to soak up wounds and the like. (or alternatively, 3 crusaders if you don't have a building to hide them in)
a Chimera (or ADL, or Bastion) to shoot from.

It usually works out great: the twin-linking and potential range boosts to some already impressively lethal weapons makes for a shooting unit that can mow down pretty much anything. Just never, ever let it get into CC with anything.

Just a quick note to make here as no one has mentioned it; I'm fairly certain Coteaz cannot use "I've been expecting you" from inside a chimera. So having him man an Icarus behind a aegis or in a ruin is probably better if you're going for a shooty squad.

I am pretty sure (75%) that he can use it inside the Chimera, its just that the chimera cant shoot as its not part of a unit.

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Coteaz, 3 multimelta servators, 7 storm bolter warriors, 2 monkeys,

They man the defense line with Coteaz on the Icarus.
Remember the monkeys shoot with lascannons, multimelta or heavy flamer.
With the roll on the chart, I'm hoping for either more range or rending.

-Matt

Rending multimeltas!

Still my favorite Inquisition unit:

Ordo Maleus 78
-Power armor,
-demonblade,
-combi melta,
-psyker1 (hammerhand)

squad 180
-5 crusaiders (axes)
-6 Death Cult (sword/staff)
-1 Banisher

I plan on using the squad for a counter assault for my DKOK. Yeah, demonblades are random, but the investment is almost always going to give you something good. Rage,FC, and +3 str is my favorite combination. S7 inquisitor coming through!