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Wolf lord 245pts
Runic armor
TH/SS
Thunderwolf Mount
Wolf tooth necklace
Saga of the beast slayer

Elites

Wolf Guard 400pts
x5 guys, x4 termie armor
Arjac
x3 combi plasma
Cyclone missile
Pod

Troops

Grey hunters 200pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
Pod

Grey hunters 200pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
Pod

Grey Hunters 205pts
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
Pod


Fast Attack

TWC 210pts
x3 Cavalry
#1 with power fist
#2 with SS
#3 with melta bombs

TWC 210pts (same as above)

Heavy Support

Long fangs 140pts
x6
x5 missile launchers

Long fangs 140pts
x6
x5 missile launchers

50pts left what to do, maybe another TWC model? I dont have any anti air but I hope to be fast enough to swarm my opponents side of the board with all the pods and TWC. Maybe a defense line to give the fangs some good cover at long range. But as title says this is my first SW's list, I normally play guard and have been toying with SW's as allies but as I want to build up more wolves I want to make sure I know what I want before I buy things randomly.

Thanks for the comments!

I'm half asleep right now, but this is a pretty scary list. There's so much barrelling down on turn 1/2 that making target choices will be difficult.

Last 50pts is another pod. Give it to the LFs. That way you get 3 on turn 1 rather than only 2. Then 15 points to slap an upgrade on something. Maybe a single LC.

One issue. What happens if you need a scoring unit in your half? I've had this problem crop up with my SW, and the only way around it is a cheap 5man GH squad hiding and not conributing...or allies.

That was the idea, turn 1 and 2 will be so much right up front that the opponent will have to make hard decisions.

To be honest I really didnt think about going after objectives much, I kinda figured I would just put all the objectives closer to my opponents side but forgot about the emperors will where one has to me on my side or in my deployment.

I suppose if I really need to I would just build a cheap IG platoon to chill back and hold my own objectives, and with that said I would probably drop both long fang squads and if points are still needed maybe drop a Thunderwolf or two and maybe combine their squad into one larger squad. Or just have a small squad of 5 hunters hiding as you said.

I'd go with 3 MotW upgrades for your DP units. Those guys often work magic for me.

Eh I will think about MotW. I only say that because I have tried it and I sadly didnt really care about it too much. After I take out the points for the next pod and try to squeeze in a small squad of guys to hold the home objective I will see if I can get MotW on any of the squads but its tight with points at the moment.

I fully kit out my Grey Hunters and drop em in all nasty like! Like I think you're going to do, just don't under estimate what the Wolf Standard, MoTW, and a power fist can dew brother! Your list looks solid though!

I will +1 MotW. Although I've rarely rolled below a 5 with it so I'm extremely lucky. The DP is more important. Getting 3 pods down on turn one will make a huge difference.

Going for an all out attack is a viable strategy. It works, it's not how I like to play because it's very dice dependent. However with 3 big threats and 2 small ones in your opponent's face on turn one I really think this has the potential to do damage andi be really fun to play/play against.

Just be aware of Str:10. Broadsides, Medusae/Demolishers and Vidicators will have to be a primary target or it could really throw a spanner in your plan.

Its a similar list to what I have been playing, but I think your points calculation may be a little off on your TWC. 3xTWC is 150 and SS is a 30 point upgrade, making it 210 before adding a powerfist or melta bombs.
I would drop the WTN on the lord as he hits most on a 3+ anyway, and big things he gets the re-roll with beastslayer saga.
I've found that dropping GH in with meltaguns is awesome, but they die quick, so I would re-think the standards in there, I keep them naked with maybe a powerfist for a scary hidden threat.
You have no ADL or RP which means that flyers are going to cause you problems

make the the in the wolflord a pf is cheater and does the same job

I can't offer much that hasn't already been said. I definitely would re-think adding the Wolf Standard to your GH. It also let's you re-roll 1's on OW, which in itself may not be an issue but there are a couple times I took some good hits on OW and failed charges which really snowballed. I'm also a big fan of MotW on them, as others are, but if points are tight, I'd take the Wolf Standard over MotW.

 Digriz wrote:
Its a similar list to what I have been playing, but I think your points calculation may be a little off on your TWC. 3xTWC is 150 and SS is a 30 point upgrade, making it 210 before adding a powerfist or melta bombs.
I would drop the WTN on the lord as he hits most on a 3+ anyway, and big things he gets the re-roll with beastslayer saga.
I've found that dropping GH in with meltaguns is awesome, but they die quick, so I would re-think the standards in there, I keep them naked with maybe a powerfist for a scary hidden threat.
You have no ADL or RP which means that flyers are going to cause you problems

Each squad has 3 thunderwolves, 1 powerfist,1 SS and 1 melta bomb, I think my points are on, am I missing something?

So far with 50pts left I will spend 35 on another pod so that turn 1 my opponent cries as I take out key units instantly.

With 15pts left I will give MotW on 1 hunter squad, probably the plasma to be sure. Where could I remove points to get the other 30pts for the other 2 hunter squads to get MotW, maybe drop the fangs to 5 guys and 4 missiles, havent added points but that should be good?

Will update list soon, Also I will change the TH on the lord to a power fist, if thats good?

Personally, as good as having full squads of LF are, I doubt 4 would be a significant difference from 5. A potential of 7 attacks with the possibility of rending, plus any charge bonuses seems more threatening than one extra ML to me. So that may work out for you.

A TH is good if you're going MC hunting, or against something multiple wounds, or if you just have the points. Otherwise, from what I can tell, PF is just as good, at fewer points. It's a small difference, but every little bit adds up. With your Wolf Lord in the group, you'll already have a TH. A PF would be good if you plan on splitting him off at any point. I wonder though if it'd be worth giving up on the rending attacks for. My loadout is similar just with an extra SS and a frost blade. I'm honestly not sure how often Rending actually comes into play and where the emphasis should really be.

I have one model with a power fist to pretty much be the heavy hitter, the SS guy is there to soak up any high strength shots that come my way, and then theres the melta bomb guy for vehicles just in case. I figured it would be better than putting the SS and fist on one wolf model.

As for the hammer the Wolf lord will be hunting big targets so I need to make sure I beat down whatever I come in contact with.

Wolf lord 245pts
Runic armor
TH/SS
Thunderwolf Mount
Wolf tooth necklace
Saga of the beast slayer

Elites

Wolf Guard 400pts
x5 guys, x4 termie armor
Arjac
x3 combi plasma
Cyclone missile
Pod

Troops

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey Hunters 220pts
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
MotW
Pod


Fast Attack

TWC 210pts (Lord will ride with one of these squads of Cavalry)
x3 Cavalry
#1 with power fist
#2 with SS
#3 with melta bombs

TWC 210pts (same as above)

Heavy Support

Long fangs 150pts
x5
x4 missile launchers
Drop pod (Comes in empty so three pods come in turn 1)

Long fangs 115pts
x5
x4 missile launchers

So this is the list updated with another pod, dropped a long fang from each squad with a missile launcher and now have MotW for each hunter squad. 20pts left, any suggestions on what to do with 20pts? I think I will even keep the hammer and the necklace on the lord as Im unsure what else to even add points too. I might just give my lord 2 wolves to take wounds for him.

Your wolf lord does NOT need a wolf tooth necklace. With weapon skill 6 he already hits everything on a 3+ in CC. Also the Saga of the Beastslayer is wasted on him. With a strength 10 thunderhammer, he doesn't need any help hitting or wounding monstrous creatures. Get rid of BOTH saga of the B.S. and the WTN. You'd be better off giving him a couple of Fenrisian wolves for extra wounds.

The wolf guard looks killy, but WAY over priced at 400 points. Arjac is nice to have, but for 200 points, I'd rather have 10 more Grey Hunters. You could even give them that empty drop pod that the Long Fangs are wasting.

Your troops look pretty much perfect. I like the TWC and your Long Fangs. It would be nice to have 5 ML's per squad though.

I'm really liking the iron priest on a thunderwolf with 3-4 cyberwolves for 140-155 at the moment, it's a nice complement to thunderwolves. I am playing a tournament with comp for repeated units though, so it's more of a necessity to me. I echo the pod. two fenrisian wolves seems like a good use of the 20pts, makes that thunderwolf squad a bit more dependable.

darrkespur wrote:
I'm really liking the iron priest on a thunderwolf with 3-4 cyberwolves for 140-155 at the moment, it's a nice complement to thunderwolves. I am playing a tournament with comp for repeated units though, so it's more of a necessity to me. I echo the pod. two fenrisian wolves seems like a good use of the 20pts, makes that thunderwolf squad a bit more dependable.

I've been thinking about the Iron Priest + Thunderwolf to go with my "Land Raider & TWC" list. Even without the thunderwolf, he can walk behind the LR and keep giving it hull points!


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 Badger_Bhoy wrote:


A TH is good if you're going MC hunting, or against something multiple wounds, or if you just have the points. Otherwise, from what I can tell, PF is just as good, at fewer points. It's a small difference, but every little bit adds up. With your Wolf Lord in the group, you'll already have a TH. A PF would be good if you plan on splitting him off at any point. I wonder though if it'd be worth giving up on the rending attacks for. My loadout is similar just with an extra SS and a frost blade. I'm honestly not sure how often Rending actually comes into play and where the emphasis should really be.

Badger Boy is on the right track here I think. If your wolf lord is going to be joining the TWC, then you should think about giving him a wolf claw instead of the thunderhammer. My reasoning is that as a unit, you've already got the power fist to hit at S10 AP2 going at initiative 1. It's a shame to waste the wolf lord's initiative 5 stat by giving him the hammer. With initiative 5 and a S5 wolf claw, he'll be able thin out the enemy unit at AP3 before they can hit back. In a challenge, he'll lack AP2 - but he'll either hit first and then rely on his 2+ / 3++ save to soak up power fists on the off chance he doesn't kill the enemy, or else he'll hit simultaneously and get his 2+ armor save for sure. Meanwhile, the TWC with the power fist will be behind him to shred what's left.

Rending is really good because it's the only AP2 close combat attack that strikes at initiative. So for example, your 3 TWC could charge into a 5 terminators and have a decent chance of killing them all before they can even hit you back with their power fists. This is also why MotW is BETTER than a power weapon in your GH squads. Not only do you get more attacks, but there is a chance that they will be AP2, and combined with the wolf standard (re-rolling dice rolls of '1') you get an extra chance to roll that '6' and rend.

Looks like a pretty nasty and balanced list to me. I'd like to see it in action!

Don't buy Arjac! He is not worth his points cost imo. Think of all the cool fun useful stuff that you could have instead of a 2 wound termie for his points. I'm not saying you should, but you could have two more rp dishing out lightning and jaws or 15 wolves at I5 (10pts for saga of the wolfkin) with points to spare. Surely this adds versatility to your army. Arjac has nice fluff but I've never found him as good at killing stuff as a unit of 15 wolves 3A each at I5. Just an idea.

^^ This.

200 points for one model, or a boat load of other stuff? I'll go get my boat.

Hmmm I will keep that in mind with the wolf lord. So if I give him a claw instead of hammer would it be better to give him the wolf tooth necklace or still not worth it? The big bonus I really look towards is ap2 for taking termies and monstrous creatues, I do know the claw allows me to reroll to hits or misses and I would mainly use that for to wounds.

I will consider dropping arjac, but I have used him several times already and he usually proves to be worth it. I went against a tyranid army once and arjac and a group of termies contested an objective and managed to kill about 3 termagaunt squads spawned from a tervigon before the 4th killed them, arjacs been in some pretty good fights for me. But I will consider dropping him, although the only other option I have Is for another termie with a cyclone and axe.

So I will drop arjac, fix my Lord and see where Im at with my points and see about adding another hunter unit. Somehow if I have the points I will try to add the longfangs back.

If you end up dropping the thunder hammer, give him a wolf claw and give him saga of the beast slayer to give you both rerolls to hit and also rerolls to wounds on models with toughness 5 or more. It's pretty nasty getting to reroll both and together they are cheaper than the thunderhammer anyways.

 tankboy145 wrote:
ap2

Ap2 is one of the most important things in a CC character. Otherwise, he's relegated to fighting MEQ and lower infantry, which is horribly inefficient. Keep the ap2.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 tankboy145 wrote:
ap2

Ap2 is one of the most important things in a CC character. Otherwise, he's relegated to fighting MEQ and lower infantry, which is horribly inefficient. Keep the ap2.

Thats a lot of what I was thinking, Now theirs only a 5pt difference between the hammer and the fist so would it just be wise to take the hammer to knock the opponent to I1?

IMO start the list with the fist. If you find youself with 5pts left over, the THammer isn't a terrible way to spend it. Although MotW, banners are better.

I kind of think a Thunderlord is a waste of points in a true tourney list, but if you're running him, might as well go all the way. PF/WC/Belt of Russ. Fighting a MEQ with a Thunderhammer? Kill him before he can strike back. Fighting a TEQ? Kill him at I1

This looks damn solid, wouldn't change much. I run a list pretty much just like it often with great success. I would suggest the Thunder Hammer, MotW is okay, can come in handy with GH.

kappadevin wrote:
If you end up dropping the thunder hammer, give him a wolf claw and give him saga of the beast slayer to give you both rerolls to hit and also rerolls to wounds on models with toughness 5 or more. It's pretty nasty getting to reroll both and together they are cheaper than the thunderhammer anyways.

It's not cheaper after you take saga of the B.S.

Wolf lord 225pts
Runic armor
TH/SS
Thunderwolf Mount

Elites

Wolf Guard 250pts
x5 termie armor
x4 combi plasma
Cyclone missile
Pod

Troops

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey Hunters 220pts
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey Hunters 220
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
MotW
Pod


Fast Attack

TWC 210pts (Lord will ride with one of these squads of Cavalry)
x3 Cavalry
#1 with power fist
#2 with SS
#3 with melta bombs

TWC 210pts (same as above)

Heavy Support

Long fangs 115pts
x5
x4 missile launchers

Long fangs 115pts
x5
x4 missile launchers

Alright so I dropped arjac for my cyclone termie. Then I scrapped the saga and the necklace on the lord and with the points I managed to throw in another fully kitted out grey hunter unit with plasma guns. So I believe my points are correct if anyone wants to double check them, I have 5 points left, if the necklace or saga are important I can just drop the melta bombs on the TWC to get one of them back.

The main idea of this list is to be right up in my opponents face early and fast. The pods allow me to get all my troops and max strength up faster to alpha strike key units and my TWC will advance fast and take out units dug in or even hunt warlord if they survive the hunters shooting. The long fangs will sit back and provide fire support against armor and since I dont have much anti air I suppose I could use them for that if thats the case.

As for objectives I will probably place most of my objectives closer to my opponents side of the table so that When all my units head over their I am able to just have a giant cluster over the close nit objectives.

Any other suggestions? So far this has really helped me and I will be able to plan out everything I need for my army and wont end up buying useless stuff.

I think you've got it. Unless you know you'll really need Beastslayer, I wouldn't worry about it. I think this will be very effective vs a wide range.

On another note, in assaulty lists I also like Warrior Born, but its certainly pricy.