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Is it stated anywhere in GW material what happened to Ahrha, former Phoenix Lord of the Striking Scorpions after he destroyed the Shrine of Asuryan and escaped into the Webway?

My personal belief is that he knew he could never return to his own race (the Craftworld elements at any rate) so decided to create a new 'Aspect' away from the influence of the various racial groups of the Eldar (Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Exodites). He also created a new identity for himself as the master of this new shrine of warriors. He knew that he and his warriors would never be accepted by the Craftworlds, so chose to ply his trade with the Dark Eldar instead.

Would it be obvious of me to say that his new identity was that of the original Drazhar, Master of Blades and he was the founder of the Incubi? This of course means that over the millenia other Incubi Klaivex's (Klavii?) have found Drazhar's armour (the Ancient Incubus Warsuit) and have taken up the mantle of the Master of Blades in the same way as Exarchs and the Phoenix Lords.

Of course, the spirits of the Incubi would have to be contained in the armour itself, as the Dark Eldar don't use spirit stones to contain their souls after death.

In my mind, this is backed up by the fact that in the current Dark Eldar codex, Drazhar and the Incubi have been retconned from being mercenary bodyguards to an elite warrior temple very similar to Aspect Warriors (they even have Exarch and Warrior Power equivalents) and Drazhar also shares the same stats and a large number of rules with the Eldar Phoenix Lords.

There are a couple of events in BL novels which point to this as well:



Also:



Finally:



I know that back in the 2nd edition Eldar codex, it mentions Eldar Chaos Champions and that Ahrha 'burned with the dark light of Chaos'. I think since then GW have realised how profoundly stupid it is that an Eldar would ever turn to worshipping the Chaos Gods when Eldar souls are in immortal danger from Slaanesh.

They since retconned the idea of Ahrha being a Chaos Champion and brought him back as the master of the Incubi.

Thoughts people?

EDIT: It appears I have been ninja'd by the Dark Eldar codex itself as it says that some Incubi believe that Drazhar is actually Ahrha, the fabled Dark Father of the Incubi. For the reasons above, I believe this is definately the case.

I love the Eldar/Dark Eldar background all the subtle links between the two races. You can keep your robotic death machines and holier than thou monks in huge armour (no offence to necron or space marine fans!) but I am happy with my Craftworlders and their Dark Kin.

rohansoldier wrote:
Is it stated anywhere in GW material what happened to Ahrha, former Phoenix Lord of the Striking Scorpions after he destroyed the Shrine of Asuryan and escaped into the Webway?

Officially? No. However as you have pointed out they do hint at him being the founder of the Incubi.

It's basically one of GW's completely unsubtle *winkwinknudgenudge* bit of fluff.

I think the theory of him being Drazhar is the most sound of any.

Drashar's fluff has always been that he's most likely Arhra and founded the Incubi. In GW's typical attempt to be subtle.

I am pretty sure that back in the first Dark Eldar codex (and the mini update that followed it) Drazhar was just a bodyguard who could switch places with the Archon (back when Incubi were a retinue not an Elite choice).

I don't think much mention was made of his origins (I am going to read my copy tonight to find out).

Personally I prefer this new incarnation of the character, as it reinforces the links between the Eldar and Dark Eldar and really highlights the fact that they are two factions in the same race.

Its obvious you have read Path of the Incubus. That really comfermed it for me. When he explains Arhra's history to Motley he explains away the Dark light of chaos bit.

The way i got it that Arhra is dead. He has no physical body. Drazah isn't him, as if he was he would be incharge. Arhra, being a pheonix lord has an immortal spirit who i think is wandering the webway. Inviting strong eldar to learn his creed. I dont think we will get any more in-depth then this, with the Path of the Incubus will be the difinitive info mine of this subject. Path of the Archon will focus On Vect, And if we are lucky a lot more of Motley

I am still part way through Incubus, but have got to the point when Morr and Motley are going to the Shrine of Arhra.

Looking forward to reading more!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think the theory of him being Drazhar is the most sound of any.

Especially given the rules in the new book; he's got the same statline and common rules that the Phoenix Lords do in the Eldar book, plus both of the Incubi 'Exarch' powers, an 'Exarch' weapon, and a couple of unique things, just like the Phoenix Lords.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Its obvious you have read Path of the Incubus. That really comfermed it for me. When he explains Arhra's history to Motley he explains away the Dark light of chaos bit.

The way i got it that Arhra is dead. He has no physical body. Drazah isn't him, as if he was he would be incharge. Arhra, being a pheonix lord has an immortal spirit who i think is wandering the webway. Inviting strong eldar to learn his creed.

Pheonix Lords 'souls' are bound to their armour, so much so that any Exarch who finds the armour after the Pheonix Lords death and wears it becomes the Pheonix Lord.

If Drazhar is wearing Arhras armour, he is Arhra.

Pheonix Lords 'souls' are bound to their armour, so much so that any Exarch who finds the armour after the Pheonix Lords death and wears it becomes the Pheonix Lord.

If Drazhar is wearing Arhras armour, he is Arhra.

IIRC the Exarch's soul is absorbed into the armor. So a Pheonix Lord isn't just the original dude posessing a new body but its actually a whole bunch of Exarch souls controlling it. Their souls have sort of merged into a single entity.

Didn't know Incubi and by extension dark eldar could rejoin the eldar community.

 Grey Templar wrote:
IIRC the Exarch's soul is absorbed into the armor. So a Pheonix Lord isn't just the original dude posessing a new body but its actually a whole bunch of Exarch souls controlling it. Their souls have sort of merged into a single entity.

You're right, Exarch's armor contains several souls, and when you're wearing it, you can hear several voices. Phoenix Lord's armor though, 'supress' those souls and the original PL just take over the physical body, despite it's not clear if they absorb, eliminate or supress the other existing souls, but Path of the Warrior clearly states that there is only one 'voice' on PL armor.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Drashar's fluff has always been that he's most likely Arhra and founded the Incubi. In GW's typical attempt to be subtle.

even in the first DE book it was pretty obvious that Drazhar was Arhra. Incubi being buffed up striking scorpians.

It was hinted at in the first DE book that the Dark Father of the Incubi was Arhra.

Drazhar wasn't directly implied as being him, but he was suspected to be by a lot of players.

The new DE book heavily implies that he is, and his stats/rules damn near confirm it.

I haven't read Path of the Incubus yet, but it looks like that makes it even more obvious.

It's Drazha, they just don't want to say it directly for some reason. But that's what all the fluff has always pointed towards.

Heck, his statline is exactly the same as the other phoenix lords.