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Fulgrim seems to have been his number 2 brother at the start of the Heresy after the whole demon possessed i'm a dark elder trapped in a Primarchs body thing I imagine he lost a good amount of faith in him. Lorgar seems to have been the only other real coconsperitor given that half the others joined because they had no choice(Kurze) or because they wanted glory(Perturabo). I also recall something in fluff about Agron leading the assault of Terra, but I could be wrong.

All of those that you mention were actually Alpharius in disguise.

At the start of heresy Fulgrim; later none of them....maybe Perturabo...

ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:
I also recall something in fluff about Agron leading the assault of Terra, but I could be wrong.

His name is Angron.

Anyway, Fulgrim at first, until Horus realized how hugely incompetent he was.

Fulgrim and Lorgar started out pretty close, but then went off and did their own thing; Perturabo was more consistent in his loyalties.

Did Mortarion stay loyal, there haven't been any stories about him lately.

In the old fluff, Alpharius was really close to Horus, he looked like Horus, he was bros with Horus, he was discovered by Horus and he was inducted by Horus before meeting the Emperor. When the Heresy came he didn't think twice about joining with Horus because they were such pals. Of course, this has all changed now, so we know it's not Alpharius.
I'd say initially Fulgrim, then swaying towards Lorgar as he comes into his own and starts to become badass.

A leader can only maintain power so long as he delivers on his promises. Important people (Generals and nobles or, in a democracy, just the people in general) have to be kept happy enough to sway them away from rebelling.

Horus promised Lorgar and Magnus freedom of religion, to worship the Gods he chose. He delivered on that promise. They were free to worship the Chaos Gods, and even in the 41st millenium they still were. They got everything they were promised, and could be considered fairly loyal.

Horus promised Angron and Curze the opportunity to inflict suffering, and enact vengeance on those who they felt had wronged them. He delivered on this promise. Curze carved a bloody swathe across the Eastern Fringe, murderizing entire worlds, and Angron led the charge against the Imperial Palace. They got everything they were promised, and could be considered fairly loyal.

Horus promised Mortarion, Perturabo, and Alpharius freedom. They would no longer have to toil under the God Empire, doing his work while reaping none of the rewards. He didn't deliver on this promise. Instead of being granted freedom, they were merely granted a new ruler. Rather than answering to the God Emperor, they answered to Horus.

I believe, if the Heresy had drawn on any longer. Mortarion, Perturabo, or Alpharius would've tried to mount a coup, or at least go AWOL. I may be reaching here, but that might've been a factor in Horus trying to a put a quick end to the Heresy by letting the God Emperor aboard his ship. The other Primarchs though; they were loyal, and Horus knew it. Of them, I'd say that Angron and Lorgar were the closest to being his right hand men.

Angron was dependable and ferocious. In Horus' mind he was little more than a tool to be used against his enemies. And Horus used him well. They massacred the population of Calth, and they broke the walls of the Imperial Palace. Ultimately though, Horus didn't put much faith in Angron's counsel, and didn't view him with much respect.

Lorgar on the other hand was a respected counselor to Horus. It was he who (by proxy) swayed Horus to the powers of Chaos, and he very faithfully served Horus. But the Battle of Calth serves as a major obstacle in the two's relationship. One view is that Lorgar disappointed Horus greatly by falling to achieve the ultimate victory he was intended to. On the other hand, it is possible that Horus sent Lorgar to Calth knowing that his Legion would be decimated, and viewing it as the cost of victory. Either way, it serves as a rift between them.

I'd have to say Lorgar, he was basically the Horus counselor during the heresy.

I initially thought perturabo due to his unflinching loyalty to horus but thought better of it since horus might not have the same view.

Angron was never with Horus, he was just against Big E.

I voted Lorgar, people of his Legion were some of the first heretics, they had to stick together. Mortarion and Magnus were pulled into it, in a way. Angron was used for anger. Fulgrim and Perterabo were also quite loyal to him as well, though.

Lorgar, 'cause he brought Horus in the whole "we have daddy issues, so we're going to kick his butt".
Plus, it was a WB Chaplain that wounded Horus with a Chaos weapon that started everything.
Lorgar, yep.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:
I also recall something in fluff about Agron leading the assault of Terra, but I could be wrong.

His name is Angron.

Anyway, Fulgrim at first, until Horus realized how hugely incompetent he was.

I think it was a misspelling...

I have a question: why oh why did Mortarion join the whole "go kickin' daddy's butt" thing? IIRC there wasn't a real reason...

Yeah I never understood that either I mean he was shunned by the traitor primarchs as well the loyalists. I suppose that he felt a greater attachment to Horus than the Emperor...

 LoneLictor wrote:


Horus promised Lorgar and Magnus freedom of religion, to worship the Gods he chose. He delivered on that promise. They were free to worship the Chaos Gods, and even in the 41st millenium they still were. They got everything they were promised, and could be considered fairly loyal.

Horus promised Mortarion, Perturabo, and Alpharius freedom. They would no longer have to toil under the God Empire, doing his work while reaping none of the rewards. He didn't deliver on this promise. Instead of being granted freedom, they were merely granted a new ruler. Rather than answering to the God Emperor, they answered to Horus.

I believe, if the Heresy had drawn on any longer. Mortarion, Perturabo, or Alpharius would've tried to mount a coup, or at least go AWOL. I may be reaching here, but that might've been a factor in Horus trying to a put a quick end to the Heresy by letting the God Emperor aboard his ship. The other Primarchs though; they were loyal, and Horus knew it. Of them, I'd say that Angron and Lorgar were the closest to being his right hand men.

Angron was dependable and ferocious. In Horus' mind he was little more than a tool to be used against his enemies. And Horus used him well. They massacred the population of Calth, and they broke the walls of the Imperial Palace. Ultimately though, Horus didn't put much faith in Angron's counsel, and didn't view him with much respect.
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Where are you deriving these ideas from. I think you are just speculating and making things up, some of which is contradicted by well developed background stories. For example, Magnus did not join the rebellion because Horus promised him religious freedom, thats just nonsense. Angron was hardly reliable, he was uncontrollable and directly disobeyed Horus when they were culling the legions of loyalists.


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BaconUprising wrote:
Yeah I never understood that either I mean he was shunned by the traitor primarchs as well the loyalists. I suppose that he felt a greater attachment to Horus than the Emperor...

I would like the HH series to expand on this storyline. It is clear that his First Captain, Typhus had turned to Chaos even before Horus so there has been at least some interesting foreshadowing.

JWhex wrote:Where are you deriving these ideas from. I think you are just speculating and making things up, some of which is contradicted by well developed background stories. For example, Magnus did not join the rebellion because Horus promised him religious freedom, thats just nonsense. Angron was hardly reliable, he was uncontrollable and directly disobeyed Horus when they were culling the legions of loyalists.

Most of this info is just old stuff from memory. The new HH series has probably contradicted a lot of it.

Regarding Magnus, as I understand, the Space Wolves attacked Prospero because the Emperor disliked how far Magnus had delved into sorcery. In response, Magnus turned to Tzeentch to save him.

While the Emperor refused to allow Magnus to delve in sorcery and worship Tzeentch, Horus was fine with it. That's why the Thousand Sons sided with the Heresy.