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I have been interested about the Tyrant of Badab and love his fluff too, his warlord trait is brilliant for Khorne Beserkers that I hope to field as they can Infiltrate! But, is he good on the battlefield and what other units could benefit from his trait? If he is not competitive, what are the alternatives? Relatively new to Chaos so help is needed here.


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Please, I am completely unsure...

He's very competitive. Loading up a basic lord will get up to his point value. He gets some of your infantry to infiltrate / or effectively deploy last rather than deploy near the enemy (think putting havocs in the best position at the very last minute). You get the heavy flamer and some psychic shenanigans and two decent power weapons; I think he has a sigil but I would need to check.

Raptors can be infiltrated, and if out of site can definitely get into close combat in the first turn; if they are in sight then you're still likely to get them in.

If you're not running a marked lord (even if you are sometimes), or want to stay Undivided, Huron is one of your best choices available. He's at a good points cost, he's got options for AP3 (that can also destroy vehicles) and AP2, a good 4++ (He still has his old Iron Halo), some interesting potential in his psychic stuff, and automatically has one of the best CSM Warlord Traits, meaning that you can plan for infiltrating in your army list. He's not going to completely annihilate stuff like Kharn, but he gives tools to your army, and is almost never going to be a complete dud. You won't unlock any cult troops, but if you want you can take another marked lord, like a nurgle biker lord or something, to get them if you want them.

He's worth it without his fluff, and if you like the story behind the Badab War and its aftermath, then you have no reason not to go for him.

Thanks for the help. Does he have any weaknesses?

Weakness, he has to challenge to against a throw away unit with a naff plain sarg, or blob unit with several naff sarges he's wasted in the first few turns.

Yeah, the Champions of Chaos rule is both a blessing and a curse -- he doesn't get to swing against normal dudes, but against a character of some kind. This can either mean he gets to stay away from retaliation for a turn, or gets instantly pasted by a power fist.

He doesn't have a 2+ save, so he's not as resilient against weight of attacks as Abaddon or Typhus (although his invuln is better than Typhus and Kharn, and is the best that CSM get outside of bad Tzeentch Characters). He doesn't have Eternal warrior, so he will get punked by powerfist dudes, although he'll probably kill them if they're one wound or so. He doesn't have AP2 at initiative, but that's not exactly something anyone gets very often now.

So, his main weaknesses are that he's still somewhat stuck in the AP3 at initiative or AP2 at I1, he's T4 without Eternal Warrior, and he has to challenge. However, most of those weaknesses are shared by just about all ICs in CSM. Only Kharn, Abaddon, and Juggerlords get AP2 at init, only Abaddon gets EW, only Nurgle Lords, Biker Lords, and JuggerLords get T5+, and all of them still have to challenge, so for the points you pay for Huron, his weaknesses aren't really much worse than all the other CSM HQ choices.

He's a great choice when you want infiltrating chosen.

I use him to get my Chosen--armed to the teeth with melta--to the opponents armor ASAP. This then allows my death guard to function without fear of getting blasted out of the midfield.

Yeah, my chosen are more CC orientated with Power weapons and Lightening Claws. Infiltrating Obliterators would be amazing!

He also allows you to infiltrate your daemon allies. Infiltrating Daemonettes, Seekers, Furies, or Fiends is very, very nice.

Just remember that infiltrators and scouts cannot assault on the first turn.

 TechmarineNic wrote:
Yeah, my chosen are more CC orientated with Power weapons and Lightening Claws. Infiltrating Obliterators would be amazing!

Why? Terminators cost the same as a CC chosen, and are far better.

Huron is just a little bit of everything. Pretty good in CC, can take on tanks, can help infiltrate your troops. And he gets a random psyker power every turn. He's pretty awesome, and pretty cheap for what you get.

Thanks for the help people, definitely gonna get him.

Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

somerandomdude wrote:
Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

A lot?, seekers and fiends are the only ones that wouldn't be able to get it, the rest are infantry.

 TechmarineNic wrote:
Thanks for the help. Does he have any weaknesses?

he only has a 3+ save and T4 so he can be taken out by high strength attacks early or a lightning claw attacks. His AP2 attacks arent that many or that great. His claw is much better if you can use it.
He is not very mobile, no bike or jump pack
He is unmarked so you dont get the force org moved
He comes with one of the best warlord skills but it isnt the best.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:
Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

A lot?, seekers and fiends are the only ones that wouldn't be able to get it, the rest are infantry.

Furies and Raptors as well.

Although it should be noted you can nominate an IC who joins to allow it.

Competative.
You can infiltrate squads of 20 bloodletters of khorn into the enemy lines. Admittedly, due to the new rules you cannot charge the first turn, but that is a non issue since to be truely effective you should not be charging with only One unit. More than one is where its at.

Infiltrating Obliterators for the win!

somerandomdude wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:
Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

A lot?, seekers and fiends are the only ones that wouldn't be able to get it, the rest are infantry.

Furies and Raptors as well.

Although it should be noted you can nominate an IC who joins to allow it.

I'm confused. Aren't raptors jump pack infantry? That means they're infantry. Which means they can infiltrate. The distinction is to avoid people infiltrating things like Vindicators and Defilers.

 gpfunk wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:
Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

A lot?, seekers and fiends are the only ones that wouldn't be able to get it, the rest are infantry.

Furies and Raptors as well.

Although it should be noted you can nominate an IC who joins to allow it.

I'm confused. Aren't raptors jump pack infantry? That means they're infantry. Which means they can infiltrate. The distinction is to avoid people infiltrating things like Vindicators and Defilers.

Yes

 gpfunk wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:
Everyone, remember that you can only nominate Infantry with his trait. A lot of the ideas listed here about his use ignore that.

A lot?, seekers and fiends are the only ones that wouldn't be able to get it, the rest are infantry.

Furies and Raptors as well.

Although it should be noted you can nominate an IC who joins to allow it.

I'm confused. Aren't raptors jump pack infantry? That means they're infantry. Which means they can infiltrate. The distinction is to avoid people infiltrating things like Vindicators and Defilers.

yes, Jump Units are both Jump & whatever the other unit type is like Jump Infantry or Jump Monstrous Creatures. They share the two sets of rules, allowing them to gain infiltrate due to master of deception

Good. I thought I was correct. I would've hated to stop infiltrating my raptor blobs.

So does this mean you can infiltrate a landraider loaded with CC termies since its a dedicated transport?

He's an incredible force multiplyer and is pretty good in HtH. I ran him for awhile myself and went 4-1 in flgs play. Just a stat not bragging lol, just trying to say he's pretty damn good for his points.


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He's an incredible force multiplyer and is pretty good in HtH. I ran him for awhile myself and went 4-1 in flgs play. Just a stat not bragging lol, just trying to say he's pretty damn good for his points.

 Ineedvc2500 wrote:
So does this mean you can infiltrate a landraider loaded with CC termies since its a dedicated transport?

Yes, you can

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 Ineedvc2500 wrote:
So does this mean you can infiltrate a landraider loaded with CC termies since its a dedicated transport?

Yes, you can

Can you please verify for me what page in the codex, rulebook or faq that states this? I'm not trying to deny or refute you, just would love to know if this indeed is legal, because if so

Infiltrate special rule on page 38 lays it out pretty clearly

Which would be better for an all comers huron list
Infiltrate 10 termies
Or
Infiltrate 5 with a landraider.
The termies would be loaded with dual lightning claws and combiplasmas maybe even abaddon or typhus.