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This thread is for those who have seen the movie, or don't care about ruiing plot points for themselves. Still, being the good natured ruffian that I am, will still be using spoiler tags anyway.
Overall I had fun and it was entertaining. I thought their take on the Mandarin was interesting and had no issues with it. I didn't really like it any better or worse then the others, in the big scheme of things, truth be told. There are some questionable moments, but overall if you want your fix of man in super suit you should be happy.
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Killian fit the philosophical and intellectual Mandarin quite well, once it is known. He operated through 3 movies with general anonymity and was pulling all the strings from the shadows, even unto the audience for most of the third movie. I've heard some didn't like it, but I really thought it was quite cool when he breathed fire. That was the point where I knew he was actually the real Mandarin and was going to say as much, or at least I was pretty sure. After we left the theater I was thinking over the line 'we make our own demons', which is pretty basic, but then recalled the fire breathing and arm reattachment as well as all the other fiery displays and realized it was also literal in that he became a demon, not just that the hero's flaws created the villain. I thought the actual fight between the two was well done, to a point*, and think going with the dichotomy of mechanical sciences versus biological sciences is an interesting choice.
I understand why Pepper survived the fall and the fire, but how did her bra survive the fire?
*All the others were soldiers that were augmented, and who knows what Killian had been up to, but why did Pepper suddenly know Kung Fu when she was injected with the virus? I would have liked a bit more fight between the three of them at that point, or even have War Machine return, who I had hoped to see in action a bit more.
The kid was used well, not to much screen time, and not overbearing.
The Extremis soldiers weren't well enough defined and seemed to be all over the place, power wise, at times, but I suppose that is a nitpick.
I forgot. I already got an email from Amazon telling me that Iron Man 3 is up for pre-order.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I suppose I should use spoiler tags as well for now.
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All the armour seemed a lot weaker in this one as well, which I suppose is an alright touch. He isn't flying around in some indestructible can so much, but a lot of the times that Mk42 seemed like a piece of junk. Fitting though since it was a prototype that wasn't combat ready, but still.
After all the advertisement and such it was a nice twist to have that Mandarin guy actually as a puppet with the real one hiding in plain sight the entire time.
All the armour seemed a lot weaker in this one as well, which I suppose is an alright touch. He isn't flying around in some indestructible can so much, but a lot of the times that Mk42 seemed like a piece of junk. Fitting though since it was a prototype that wasn't combat ready, but still.
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I think that is part of the soldiers having varying levels of power as I mentioned above, with also assuming that in his obsession to make a bunch of suits in a short period that many of them were not combat suits, like the ones blown up earlier. I would have liked to see the heavy loader one that looked like a Hulk buster armor hit something though.
I forgot, i did like that essentially the whole thing was a flashback that Tony is relating to a very disengaged (I'm not that kind of Doctor) Bruce Banner.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
"When the traitor's hand strikes, it strikes with the strength of a Legion."
"It is human nature to seek culpability in a time of tragedy. It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate, rather than to bow one's head and succumb."
It was fun but the 1st Iron Man Movie was the best, that being said there were a few parts in the 3rd one that annoyed me like when he saved all those people falling out of the plane that didn't really make sense to me.
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I'm not that familiar with the character of the Mandarin so when the spoiler came I had no preconceptions about the character. Personally I loved it. The film overall was a real return to form for the franchise. Great dialog, lots of action and humor and it flowed well.
Quick question though, at the end Stark gets the the shrapnel removed. I thought that was supposed to be impossible, that it was too close to his heart for surgery to be on option. Hence the mini arc reactor. Was I wrong or is this a plot hole?
I assume that he's not retiring Iron Man, he's just no longer going to be reliant on it.
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Cheesecat wrote: It was fun but the 1st Iron Man Movie was the best, that being said there were a few parts in the 3rd one that annoyed me like when he saved all those people falling out of the plane that didn't really make sense to me.
Spoiler:
That was a simulation run by Jarvis wasn't it?
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I'm not that familiar with the character of the Mandarin so when the spoiler came I had no preconceptions about the character. Personally I loved it. The film overall was a real return to form for the franchise. Great dialog, lots of action and humor and it flowed well.
Quick question though, at the end Stark gets the the shrapnel removed. I thought that was supposed to be impossible, that it was too close to his heart for surgery to be on option. Hence the mini arc reactor. Was I wrong or is this a plot hole?
I assume that he's not retiring Iron Man, he's just no longer going to be reliant on it.
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Cheesecat wrote: It was fun but the 1st Iron Man Movie was the best, that being said there were a few parts in the 3rd one that annoyed me like when he saved all those people falling out of the plane that didn't really make sense to me.
Spoiler:
That was a simulation run by Jarvis wasn't it?
Maybe, but everything went by so fast in that scene it was hard to tell if it was simulation or if they were back at the boat after saving those people.
Ahtman wrote: Killian fit the philosophical and intellectual Mandarin quite well, once it is known. He operated through 3 movies with general anonymity and was pulling all the strings from the shadows, even unto the audience for most of the third movie.
I don't remember Killian being part of the earlier movies.
I'm not that familiar with the character of the Mandarin so when the spoiler came I had no preconceptions about the character. Personally I loved it. The film overall was a real return to form for the franchise. Great dialog, lots of action and humor and it flowed well.
Quick question though, at the end Stark gets the the shrapnel removed. I thought that was supposed to be impossible, that it was too close to his heart for surgery to be on option. Hence the mini arc reactor. Was I wrong or is this a plot hole?
I assume that he's not retiring Iron Man, he's just no longer going to be reliant on it.
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Cheesecat wrote: It was fun but the 1st Iron Man Movie was the best, that being said there were a few parts in the 3rd one that annoyed me like when he saved all those people falling out of the plane that didn't really make sense to me.
Spoiler:
That was a simulation run by Jarvis wasn't it?
Maybe, but everything went by so fast in that scene it was hard to tell if it was simulation or if they were back at the boat after saving those people.
Spoiler:
He was operating the suit by RC so they didn't have to make a round trip to keep going on their boat mission
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How does it compare to the others? I enjoyed the first but thought that the second was horrible.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
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I'm not that familiar with the character of the Mandarin so when the spoiler came I had no preconceptions about the character. Personally I loved it. The film overall was a real return to form for the franchise. Great dialog, lots of action and humor and it flowed well.
Quick question though, at the end Stark gets the the shrapnel removed. I thought that was supposed to be impossible, that it was too close to his heart for surgery to be on option. Hence the mini arc reactor. Was I wrong or is this a plot hole?
I assume that he's not retiring Iron Man, he's just no longer going to be reliant on it.
Spoiler:
In the Extremis arc Stark obtains regeneration thanks to being exposed to the virus, as well as the ability to control technology (specifically his armor), with his mind. I assume the ability to remove the shrapnel is representative of the former, and that the latter was replaced with his use of J.A.R.V.I.S. as a form of remote control.
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Ahtman wrote: Killian fit the philosophical and intellectual Mandarin quite well, once it is known. He operated through 3 movies with general anonymity and was pulling all the strings from the shadows, even unto the audience for most of the third movie.
I don't remember Killian being part of the earlier movies.
Spoiler:
Killian is the real master behind the Ten Rings, of which a branch of the Ten Rings kidnapped Tony in the first movie. The second film requires watching special features and such, but the criminal organization that Whiplash gets his fake passport and plane ticket from is the Ten Rings. It isn't explicit, but if you follow the trail of bread crumbs...
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I thoroughly enjoyed the film, although I've never gone into reading the comics or anything I still have the following comments:
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1: I think Kingsley's acting on the Mandarin was absolutely brilliant, although I was a bit peeved when he turned out to be this bumbling oaf. I would have liked to see the more serious side of the Mandarin played out a bit more.
2: As mentioned before the suits seemed a lot weaker than I/II. Some greater focus on the more obscure suits would have been nice too.
3: Is it too much to ask to tone down the product placement? The scene where Stark's house is falling into the sea, you see a brief flash of the Audi logo on screen for a miniscule amount of time like a subliminal message. It could have been my imagination but it seemed pretty real to me... Parts where company logos just happen to be placed in the area just between to conversing characters, just makes you feel like you're in one big 130 min advert.
4: I think the major criticism though is that there was too much comedy mixed into it. The scene where he calls his armour to attach to him and it just hits a girder and crashes, bits like that just ruin the scene entirely. I think such scenes do create a humourous moment, but they were really overused in this film
I wholeheartedly agree that the movie should have been more realistic in the sense that Pepper's bra should have been burnt away...
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To be fair, Stark's been driving an Audi since the first film. It's his "thing".
Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about Iron Man 3 yet.
I've seen it twice, and both times I walked away from it feeling uneasy. It wasn't because of the twist with the Mandarin - I thought that was really clever even if it does create problems with the presence of the 10 Rings in the first two films (was Killian behind those events as well?) - but more because of the ending. It seemed very "conclusion-y" to me, as if to say this is the end of Iron Man. The "Iron Man will return" line at the end of the credits felt hollow, almost as if it were trying to convince itself of that fact.
I'm someone who utterly adores continuity in television shows and movies and so on, so this whole thing Marvel's got going is nirvana to me (even for a non-comic reader like me) because the very idea that they could make all these films within a consistent universe is just amazing. This film like they were intentionally taking a piece of that universe away and putting it into a box.
I still don't really understand what problems people have with Iron Man 2 (I thought it was great), and the finale in that film was miles above this one. Rhodey was great, but he didn't do anything in the suit (Iron Patriot was completely wasted). All the suits were on screen for half a second and exploded almost as soon as the Extremis soldiers touched them. It's a far cry from the brawl with Thor in Avengers or even the pounding Tony's suits took in Iron Man 2.
Ahtman wrote: I forgot. I already got an email from Amazon telling me that Iron Man 3 is up for pre-order.
Not unusual. Amazon likes to jump the gun. Got an E-mail from them telling me Only War was coming out in two weeks. We were still writing it at the time.
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Agree re Pepper and clothing ) but I guess Gwyneth was not keen............
The Iron Man suits at the end did seem weaker than expected.... although having Tony constantly having to switch was well done and fun
I got the impression that the sharpnel was only still there as Tony had not really concentrated on the problem.
I liked the whole - "I can fix Pepper as I mostly understood the issues when i was drunk 10 years ago."
It would have been cool to a have few more links ot the other films - I guess Tony would have been suspcious that Killian / Shield may have been linked and Thor is off planet. but given that he and Banner get on:
"Hey Bruce can yopu look after Pepper for a bit whilst I am out of town"
"Hey Killian, have you met my friend with breathtaking anger management issues" would have been amusing at the end.........
I loved the humerous elements
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He is the mind behind the Ten Rings, and his plan was to control the power from both ends (Government and Terrorism) so it would make sense that he was, even if it was in the early stages in Iron Man 1.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Killian is the real master behind the Ten Rings, of which a branch of the Ten Rings kidnapped Tony in the first movie. The second film requires watching special features and such, but the criminal organization that Whiplash gets his fake passport and plane ticket from is the Ten Rings. It isn't explicit, but if you follow the trail of bread crumbs...
I doubt even Hansel and Gretel could follow those bread crumbs.
Killian is the real master behind the Ten Rings, of which a branch of the Ten Rings kidnapped Tony in the first movie. The second film requires watching special features and such, but the criminal organization that Whiplash gets his fake passport and plane ticket from is the Ten Rings. It isn't explicit, but if you follow the trail of bread crumbs...
I doubt even Hansel and Gretel could follow those bread crumbs.
Now that was a cool film - sequal to come as well
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Killian is the real master behind the Ten Rings, of which a branch of the Ten Rings kidnapped Tony in the first movie. The second film requires watching special features and such, but the criminal organization that Whiplash gets his fake passport and plane ticket from is the Ten Rings. It isn't explicit, but if you follow the trail of bread crumbs...
I doubt even Hansel and Gretel could follow those bread crumbs.
I agree that the Iron Man 2 bit is a stretch, but the organization in the first movie is called the Ten Rings, and the guy even has a ring similar to the ones worn by The Mandarin in the videos, and in the film we find out that Killian is the actual leader and force behind the Ten Rings. It seems a bit obtuse to claim it is hard to follow that the guy who is the leader of the Ten Rings is the leader of the Ten Rings. They used the same symbol in both movies and everything.
I also don't really get the hate for Iron Man 2, and enjoyed it.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
It's because the vocals from AC/DC sound like someones manhandling a cat.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and can't really name any gripes beyond how little we saw of all the different suits. For an Iron Man movie there was very little Iron Man.
Bit miffed they didn't follow extremis to it's conclusion in the comic though.
Extremis comic spoiler:
Spoiler:
Tony uses a form of extremis on himself essentialy giving him a nanofiber suit which is stored in his bones and gives him a neural link to his suits, greatly increasing reflexes etc. etc.
Jarvis replaces Extremis in these I think, as he is a highly advanced AI and not just a butler. They used Extremis here to 'upgrade' Mandarin to a more modern villain. It also allowed them to make Tony Stark and Mandarin reflections of each other; Tony's suit is external and separate from himself whereas Mandarin's is internal and inseparable.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Jarvis replaces Extremis in these I think, as he is a highly advanced AI and not just a butler. They used Extremis here to 'upgrade' Mandarin to a more modern villain. It also allowed them to make Tony Stark and Mandarin reflections of each other; Tony's suit is external and separate from himself whereas Mandarin's is internal and inseparable.
Which also follows from the "suit up" dialogues between Stark and Banner in Avengers.
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Tony uses a form of extremis on himself essentialy giving him a nanofiber suit which is stored in his bones and gives him a neural link to his suits, greatly increasing reflexes etc. etc.
I thought that was the point of the ending, where he talks about how he will understand anything if he tinkers with it, and he did tinker with Extremis. While it points to doing it to save Pepper, the final line 'I am Iron Man', plus the bits about tinkering with Extremis, pretty much point to the nano suit.
My only gripe with it was the Mandarin.
Spoiler:
Not that I minded the twist - it was executed and performed really well. Just that Guy Pearce had nowhere near the screen prescence as Kingsley. Kingsley in his Mandarin garb, on screen giving out his ultimatums was perfect. It was, really, just a waste of the character and casting.
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It was enjoyable enough but the weakest of the 3 IMO.
Casting/acting was all good -- Kingsley especially good and i thought the terrorist videos they did looked... well.. p'raps good isn't quite the term here but "realistic" at the very least.
It struck me at times though as if it'd maybe had a few too many rewrites and edits and there were odd bits that didn't make sense.
Some were just small things -- how did he get the suit onto Air Force 1 ?
And...
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The capturing of Tony made no sense. They kidnap Pepper and infect her with the virus to motivate him to save her/fix the issues with the formula...
... then the Mandarin guy shoots the lady "botanist" as she threatens to kill herself if he did something or other, which makes Stark almost his only hope of fixing the formula...
.. so he buggers off leaving Stark all tied up and not working on the problem ? !?
Thought the remotely assembled armour was a nice idea but it became ridiculous, especially when he summoned the 800 miles or so to the Madarin's apartment.
Looked to me and some others as if they cocked up the CGI in the big fight too, when his armour gets cut open... again... there's a moment when his leg disappears completely.
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And I'm somewhat bemused as to exactly how involved the vice president was in the whole thing. He seemed to have a daughter/grandchild/niece/whatever who was missing a limb ...
... so they were going to fix this for him or something then yes ? That all seemed tacked on really.
I was a bit unsure also about how they were able to find the ship -- kudos on the Roxxon name/logo -- for the end fight. They seemed to just set sail and then wind up there ..?
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I have to agree that Tony getting operated on at the end made zero sense. The whole point of Iron Man 2 was that his chest piece was killing him and now he just could of had surgery? Made zero sense movie wise.
I loved seeing the Suits getting thrashed. Face it outside the Avengers movie he hasn’t had one single decent fight. First Iron Man he was fighting a guy while he was at 15-20% power. Second Iron Man could of beat the villain be standing 20 feet away and just shooting him instead of sticking in close combat, as it was they created an explosion in front of him that beat him.
Sad that War Machine/Iron Patriot saw no action. All it took was a handshake to take him down. I kept on wanting to see what his big gun did since they replaced his mini-gun, but that never happened. Disappointing that the villain had more action in the suit then Rhode did.
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) but I guess Gwyneth was not keen............
-- for the end fight. They seemed to just set sail and then wind up there ..?