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This questions has been bugging me for a while and i have scouted around the internet to no avail.

Who was the very first complete space marine as we know them to day?
Who trained them and what happened to them?
Do we know which primarch they were created from? (i'm guessing the lion)

Any Info would be grate

thanks

Dark Angels are the 1st legion, so presumably they were made first. I doubt there was a single marine made before all the others though. They were probably done in groups.

More than likely there would be a Space Marine that, after being created, was determined to be the mold for others to be cast genetically. That Spacee Marine would be the first.

As to who he was and if he was kept alive, no data to support any claims that I'm aware of.

burnaboy wrote:
This questions has been bugging me for a while and i have scouted around the internet to no avail.

Who was the very first complete space marine as we know them to day?
Who trained them and what happened to them?
Do we know which primarch they were created from? (i'm guessing the lion)

Any Info would be grate

thanks

We don't know his name, and are unlikely to ever know said name.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
More than likely there would be a Space Marine that, after being created, was determined to be the mold for others to be cast genetically. That Spacee Marine would be the first.

As to who he was and if he was kept alive, no data to support any claims that I'm aware of.

You just explained the role of the primarchs though.

I would imagine that they were produced in batches so I doubt there even was a "first".

Lieutenant Colonel John H. Glenn

Or possibly Captain Brink of the Space Marines

There could certainly have been a first.

If there was a first, he probably would have been one of the higher ranking members of the Dark Angels legion. Potentially even the legion commander prior to finding Johnson.

His name was Tim.

The Primarchs preceded all of the members of their legions, as it was the genetic imprint of the Primarchs that was used to then create the Space Marines of the Legions the Primarchs would come to command.

The Space Wolves are called the "Sons of Russ" for a reason. Their geneseed is drawn from the template used to create Leman Russ, their Primarch.

There's probably a whole series of subjects that bridged the gap between Thunder Warriors and Space Marines, where the Emperor tweaked this and that, getting them as perfect as possible, but the very first true Space Marines would have been the Primarchs.

The Half heard said he fought in the unification a Terra, so would he not be one of the first?

one of the horus heresy books has a thunder warrior character who fought in the unification wars alongside the emperor, he is one of the first "space marine"'s in that sense, but not THE first

its kind of neat how the proto marines are described as being more powerful, if non long living.

I forget the characters name, but I hope he comes back in another story.

It's in The Outcast Dead novel I think. And hints/talks about him being the standard bearer of the Thunder Warriors who supposedly was the last to fall in the final battle of unification.

The Dark Angelsl were the 1st and the best.

 Sword Of Caliban wrote:
The Dark Angelsl were the 1st and the best.

Well except for the hundreds that turned traitor!!

I going for the idea that there was a first batch of Dark Angels made, not just a single one, you know like the way you make cupcakes or potato chips, its too much trouble to make one at a time.

I would have said the Thunder Warriors but if we're talking about the Space Marines of now, then I would have to agree about the Primarchs being the first/prototype marines.

Hah, all the original legions were created at the same time, same as the Primarchs were.

Numbering is just for accounting purposes.

The DA just got the first number, they were not any earlier than the other legions.

As for being "the best" well aside from that whole fallen business, and leaving other legions/chapters in the lurch to go hunt their traitor brothers.....

I thought the numerical order of the legions were based on the order in which their primarchs were discovered and joined with their legion...

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
More than likely there would be a Space Marine that, after being created, was determined to be the mold for others to be cast genetically. That Spacee Marine would be the first.

As to who he was and if he was kept alive, no data to support any claims that I'm aware of.

This was the purpose of the Primarchs. So, the Primarchs were the first "Space Marines".

If you want to go by actual Marines, not the Primarchs, I don't think we will ever fully know who it was. IT also depends if you want to consider the Thunder Warriors Space Marines or not

No, as Horus was the first primarch rediscovered.

And his legion was the XVI (16th).

Next discovered was Russ

And his legion was the VI (6th)

All the primarchs were created at the same time, and all the base legions were created at the same time too, using their genetic templates.

In Fear To Tread, some of the BA characters had fought in their legion in the final part of the unification wars on Terra, this is the same for all legions as far as the HH books go

the primarchs were not the first space marines though,

otherwise if the primarchs are the first because normal spcace marines are based on them, then the emperor is the first space marine since the primarchs are based on him,

really, I would say thunder warriors are the first batch of "marines", primarchs are another class altoghether.

Well, Thunder Warriors were not "Marines" as such, its kind of like saying the Spitfire was the first Harrier for example.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
More than likely there would be a Space Marine that, after being created, was determined to be the mold for others to be cast genetically. That Spacee Marine would be the first.

As to who he was and if he was kept alive, no data to support any claims that I'm aware of.

You just explained the role of the primarchs though.

Yes, but I feel the Primarchs are beyond a Space Marine and something MUCH more. So it would be the first acceptable creation based off of their genetic codes.

I feel if they WERE the first Space Marines, every Space Marine would be that powerful or at least a closer representation. :-)

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Well, Thunder Warriors were not "Marines" as such, its kind of like saying the Spitfire was the first Harrier for example.

the main difference between thunder warriors and marines is the armour, most books do talk about them as being proto marines, like a test run to work the kinks out for the first founding marines.


they are certainly closer to marines then a primarch

the question is "what was the first space marine", and thunder warriors are actually proto marines, like a bi-plane coming before a spitfire, two very different planes, but one is obviously the precurser to the next,

The question is not "what" but "who".

Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
More than likely there would be a Space Marine that, after being created, was determined to be the mold for others to be cast genetically. That Spacee Marine would be the first.

As to who he was and if he was kept alive, no data to support any claims that I'm aware of.

You just explained the role of the primarchs though.

Yes, but I feel the Primarchs are beyond a Space Marine and something MUCH more. So it would be the first acceptable creation based off of their genetic codes.

I feel if they WERE the first Space Marines, every Space Marine would be that powerful or at least a closer representation. :-)

Yes, but what I meant is that the genetics part was already taken care of through the creation of the primarchs and their geneseed, so there would not have been any need for the Emperor to make individual marines until he found the right formula. He had the geneseed from the primarchs, and probably immediately went to town making them in large groups rather than as individuals.