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Soon I'll be repainting my Dark Angels to match a fan Chapter that I've been working on. My goal is to make an army that can be used with the Dark Angels, Vanilla or Black Templar codexes.

I shared this plan with a friend and he told me that I'm not allowed to make an army that can switch codexes.

There's no rule saying that and while some people frown on it, most don't care.

Just paint em up. Only difference between the nillas, DA and BT models is a layer of paint. Hell they all use the EXACT SAME tact box lol.
Just cant 'dex hop during games/tourneys

Ask him to show you where in the rules it says you can't. Then when asked the reverse, point to the army selection rules in any codex that mentions different paint jobs.

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
Soon I'll be repainting my Dark Angels to match a fan Chapter that I've been working on. My goal is to make an army that can be used with the Dark Angels, Vanilla or Black Templar codexes.

I shared this plan with a friend and he told me that I'm not allowed to make an army that can switch codexes.

Complete bull.

I use my Black Templars as codex marines from time to time. There is no such rule. My Black Templars are painted very "Black Templar-y".

Paint them however you like and use whichever codex you want. Your friend has no idea what he is talking about.

Your friend is wrong.

Paint YOUR army however YOU like and use whatever codex YOU like.
As long as your army is WYSIWYG and consistent there will be zero reasonable grounds from which to complain.

I use my Templars as Codex Marines, I just had to buy some extra troops with bolters and not two a sword and pistol. Heck, I play Sisters, so I use my Rhinos in both armies, since everything is painted black and white on both sides.
Remember the Imp's Champion used to be in the Space Marine Codex, and the C:SM tries to list all of the chapters in it.
Ask your friend if he is going to buy you a new set of Marines so you can two different Marine chapters.

You are allowed to do this so long as the models match up properly. If Codex: Space Marines has rules for a power armored Space Marine with a bolter and your model is a power armored Space Marine with a bolter, it doesn't matter what chapter iconography it may have; it is still a legal model.

For best results, you may want to avoid chapter-specific iconography such as Dark Angel winged swords, Black Templar crosses, Ultramarine agemos, or Blood Angel blood drops. This way there is no way an opponent can dispute your army being a successor chapter of whichever MEQ codex you wish to use on a given day. Most people will not have a problem with you using an army that is obviously one Space Marine chapter and using a different chapter's codex for the rules, so long as all your units are modeled appropriately.

If this were a "rule" then they would have made different models.

each uses tactical marines boxes. Each army uses the same rhino, they each use the predators.

He's just upset he can't use his Eldar as Dark Eldar

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
Soon I'll be repainting my Dark Angels to match a fan Chapter that I've been working on. My goal is to make an army that can be used with the Dark Angels, Vanilla or Black Templar codexes.

I have been doing exactly this for the better part of a decade. No one has complained once thus far. Mind you I haven't played them as BT in a long time, my true love is DA. I like to switch it up between DA and C:SM to keep it a bit more fresh. Not only is it not against the rules, its a great way to save time and money and have multiple armies.

Just remember WYSIWYG (magnets help with this), and your golden. Even better if you paint them your own way, just to avoid confusion. Mine are mainly DA green (caliban green now) with lots of white, including terminators, bikes, librarians, ect. Heck, all through 5th I saw ultra marines paint jobs on DA, BT, GW, BA(especially BA) and even GK.

Some people will complain about this because they may see it as band wagon hopping. While it is true people do do this for this specific reason, I did it because I simply couldn't choose between the three marine chapters I wanted to play, and couldn't afford to build three separate armies. You will get less complaints if you have them painted in a custom, neutral, or totally different way. I just happen to like dark green, as it is my favorite colour. Even if I were to make a separate blood angels army, that was just blood angels, and nothing else, I would still paint them dark green, and have them a successor chapter. Heck, I'd paint any army I collect dark green, but I can do that, they are my plastic toys to do with as I choose. Since your goal is to take your DA army (the newest of those three) and paint them to use for the other two, I wouldn't really consider this codex hopping. It's clear from the beginning that you want to play all three armies. Right from my very beginning this was my goal with my army. It's not like the new BT codex came out and then you decided you wanted to run the newest shiniest toys so "now my DA are BT", which once again, I saw a lot of in 5th.

Tell your friend (insert something slightly more aggressive than the situation warrants here), and go for it. My two cents anyway.

 Icculus wrote:
If this were a "rule" then they would have made different models.

each uses tactical marines boxes. Each army uses the same rhino, they each use the predators.

He's just upset he can't use his Eldar as Dark Eldar

This actually seems to be the reason. I can only guess your friend is mad because he can't do the same.

lol. I painted my blood angels in a sort of tiger patten that "could" be used for my chaos army.. and my standard space Villy codex.
then there's my .... NECRONIDS...... Hmmmm??? how do you explain them, an army that can be used as both necrons and nids... strange but it works....

I think anybody who paints or plans there armys like this is a smart chappy or chapette..

WYSIWYG doesn't care about colour and emblems.
If you have allies, make them look different to the main force.
But, apart from that, it doesn't matter.

Otherwise, grind off all chapter markings on the models, and paints them pink.

If only GW made just one SM codex, with chapter sections in that. Orks do that, Eldar used to, and so on.
It's only GW's moneygrabbing that causes this problem, so why should us SM players suffer.

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
Soon I'll be repainting my Dark Angels to match a fan Chapter that I've been working on. My goal is to make an army that can be used with the Dark Angels, Vanilla or Black Templar codexes.

I shared this plan with a friend and he told me that I'm not allowed to make an army that can switch codexes.

And your friend would be wrong. As long as your minis are WYSIWYG, or close to it, paint job doesn't matter. Only difficulty would be if your Dark Angels focus on ravenwing or deathguard as you might not have enough proper troops when swtiching over books. Space marines are all easily identifiable as space marines no matter what codex you use for them.

The two keys here:
1) When preparing for a game tell your opponent what codex you are using and stick with it.
2) Make sure that the units are readily identifiable on the table as what they are.

Beyond that it doesn't really matter. Some people have issues with those who don't use the "right" codex for their force, but the problem is definitely there's. I am sure GW would happily encourage people to build a completely new SM army to use a different SM codex, but there is no rule that requires it.

Skriker

How about Guardians of the Covernant?

Thanks for all the help. I think I'll keep my current Dark Angels army (which is really just missing some troop transports) and start my fan chapter off by buying the Stormraven Domination Force, Space Marine Battleforce, a Commander and a Sword Brethren Squad. That way, I can field my fan chapter as Black Templar or Vanilla.

Thinking Knights of the Silver Hand, named after the Paladin faction from the Warcraft Universe, for the chapter's name, the symbol will be a silver hand at the center of a sun, white for troops, fast attack and heavy support and red for Elite and HQ choices. Their armor will be mostly purple, with Sergeants having white helmets, Elites having red helmets and HQs having Silver Helmets. All members of the Silver Hand have their right hand painted Silver.


I can use my Dark Angels 6th Company as Allies to my Silver Hand, or visa versa.

Do it, 6 armies in one(If you include CSM)
There are a few differences(like Thunderwolves and Black Knights, not to mention flyers) that you will only be able to use in one army.
But just dont care, A major Tourney player i know does it.

Something to remember - while we have no issue with it on this website, we are not your friend.

There's a good chance listening to the people in this thread will lose you a regular opponent.

Talk it over with your friend more, don't just tell him 'this thread on dakka says you're an idiot'.

He's not really an opponent, he's an online friend who lives in Turkey. I live in the US. So we don't really play against eachother since we can't.

The person I play with often is the only other person I know that plays War40k down here. I'm trying to get my roommate, a friend and my brothers interested, so far my roommate is interested, trying to find an army that would match him, and one of my brothers wants to start a Slaanesh Chaos army.

The one I play with most often is named Jorge and he's a Blood Angels player, so far we've only really played games with Blood Angels vs Dark Angels. He's willing to let me change codex, so long as I have the appropriate models to match the appropriate units.