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I wanted to know if there was a way I could get a categorized list of the specific lists from each army that give people nightmares, the sort of "Worst Case, No Sportsmanship" kinds of lists that wreck people's time and generally leave a bad taste in the mouths of your opponents. Just from a sort of grim-curiosity perspective, I want to know what these are. Additionally, I wanted to know what comp'd lists are also pretty monstrous and hard to deal with, from an all-comers perspective.

Double Slann. Nothing screams "I AM BAD BUT I CAN ROLL ZE DICE" more.

Vampire Counts scream and chaff list.
Dark Elf harpy and crossbow gunline with 2x level 4's.
Ogre Gnoblar Uprising (40 units of 10 gnoblars, characters, and cannons, it's extremely tough to get any significant points off of while it cannons and death magic snipes at you).
Ogre Kingdom Maneater Horde (50% in vanguarding maneaters, which are your 16th deployment, it's a bottom of turn 1, top of 2 charge army).
Lizardmen double slaan with skink clouds and max Salamanders
Dwarf Sneaky Bastards (2 units of long beard rangers, 3 units of miners, deploy nothing).
Empire "Science > Fantasy" list. (2x steam tanks, 3x cannons, level 4 wizard, and then max long rifles). It snipes heroes and tanks units.


Basically, look at the ETC restrictions, and max out on whatever they are trying to restrict.

-Matt

The forums even have an acronym for it. TFG. When I played roleplaying games we called them MBM, maximum benefit man. Or Rules Rapists.

I'd say most of the stuff above I don't think is insane. I think the worst stuff is where RAI became RAW because a bird landed on the keyboard or something.

Like when Ogre Greedy Fist was being used with AE spells and they changed it to close combat.

Old Teclis.

I actually enjoy formats like this. Usually there's a few simple fixes such as "No Teclis, No Folding Fortress" or the like.

But it's what you make of it. If you have an aversion to such things, as it seems a number of you do, don't play in such formats. Easy

Imo, if you try it and go in Knowing it's balls-to-the-wall, it can be a lot of fun. Just know what you're in for!

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Vampire Counts scream and chaff list.
Dark Elf harpy and crossbow gunline with 2x level 4's.
Ogre Gnoblar Uprising (40 units of 10 gnoblars, characters, and cannons, it's extremely tough to get any significant points off of while it cannons and death magic snipes at you).
Ogre Kingdom Maneater Horde (50% in vanguarding maneaters, which are your 16th deployment, it's a bottom of turn 1, top of 2 charge army).
Lizardmen double slaan with skink clouds and max Salamanders
Dwarf Sneaky Bastards (2 units of long beard rangers, 3 units of miners, deploy nothing).
Empire "Science > Fantasy" list. (2x steam tanks, 3x cannons, level 4 wizard, and then max long rifles). It snipes heroes and tanks units.


Basically, look at the ETC restrictions, and max out on whatever they are trying to restrict.

-Matt

Have you actually played against that gnoblar army? doesnt sound much fun to play or play against

but these are supposed to be harsh lists, not necessarily the most fun ones. I have played a variation of the uprising, only instead of 400 gnoblars I had just 100. it was still enough. the tarpitting/stalling potential of that many gnoblars is fantastic, and often underestimated. you can tie up enemy units for quite a while

JWhex wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Vampire Counts scream and chaff list.
Dark Elf harpy and crossbow gunline with 2x level 4's.
Ogre Gnoblar Uprising (40 units of 10 gnoblars, characters, and cannons, it's extremely tough to get any significant points off of while it cannons and death magic snipes at you).
Ogre Kingdom Maneater Horde (50% in vanguarding maneaters, which are your 16th deployment, it's a bottom of turn 1, top of 2 charge army).
Lizardmen double slaan with skink clouds and max Salamanders
Dwarf Sneaky Bastards (2 units of long beard rangers, 3 units of miners, deploy nothing).
Empire "Science > Fantasy" list. (2x steam tanks, 3x cannons, level 4 wizard, and then max long rifles). It snipes heroes and tanks units.


Basically, look at the ETC restrictions, and max out on whatever they are trying to restrict.

-Matt

Have you actually played against that gnoblar army? doesnt sound much fun to play or play against

I've run both of those ogres lists and they are both very brutal. The maneater horde is pure death star, but the Gnoblar uprising it I'd say more brutal. You just can't get points off it. It's very frustrating.

-Matt

Another way to think of TFG is the dude who knows exactly who his opponent will be and design his list specifically to table that list.

Example:

During our last campaign i was playing a dwarf player who took Thorek, 3x Runed up Grudge Throwers, 3x Cannons engineer support and big ass stubborn blocks to tie up the my advancing army as he hid the warmachines on a hill behind.

This was against my High Elves (old book - now i would love runed warmachines with my BoTWD!). Tabled me before I could reach his lines.

That's not list tailoring though, that's, almost, your standard comp Dwarf army.

Writing a list for a specefic battle is also fine, as long as both parties are doing it. The issue is lists that will just win against almost all armies.