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Hey all,

I recently came up with the idea of an orange and black themed craftworld for my growing Elder army.

However, I am having a lot of trouble with the paints.

I am using Citadel 'Fire Dragon Bright' and 'Troll Slayer Orange' over a base coat of white.

Both colours seem very thin (almost like a slightly thicker wash) and this is causing any slight signs of brush strokes to stand out like a sore thumb. Further, if I overload the brush in an attempt to stop this, the paint goes on like cheap acrylic, thick in some places and thin in others, leaving the model looking like it has been painted by a 5 year old.

Suffice to say this is driving me up the wall.

I always make sure that the paints are stirred fully and I am not having this issue with any other colors.

Any help on what I might be doing wrong would be really helpful.

Thanks

I haven't used GW's current paints, but the older oranges did sometimes need a really good stir to get the pigment mixed through properly.

I've also found that oranges and yellows go much better over a bone or flesh-colour base than over white.

These:

... were done with a black undercoat, followed by a coat of bestial brown, then bronzed flesh, and finally the orange. Then a wash of red and a drybrush of orange back over the top, highlighted with a little white mixed into the orange. (Sorry, no idea what those are in the new, silly names.)

Thank you so much insaniak!

This gives me some real hope that I can get a nice popping Orange.

Looks like I have a day of painting ahead of me

Yeah the real key to getting the best out of all the new GW paints, is a real good shake!

I would guess that it was a mixing issue. Did that turn out to be the problem on the end?

I have an orange and black Eldar force - I undercoat white then use a much watered down orange as a wash, with a very weak black wash over the top to add some extra depth.

Oh they looks awsome Silver, I think I will try that also

Did you paint any vehicles in that style btw? How does it look over a larger surface area?

Generally, when you paint with reds, oranges, and yellows, you want a nice foundation coat underneath.

Red - a brown primer coat followed by Mechrite Red (old foundation color) provides a nice base.

Yellow - Dheneb Stone (old foundation color)

Orange - Tau Sept Ochre or even something like Vermin Brown will give you a good basecoat to work with.

There are all the old paint colors ... not sure what their equivalents are now.

ive just given the Orange a really good shake up, and put it over a foundation of Jokero Orange. The results are much much better .

I will put up a picture as soon asap.

Thanks again

Fire dragon and troll slayer from the gw line are labeled as layers and I find it hard to use as a base.

I found it really easy to use Vallejo deep orange as a base. Then use troll slayer from gw as a shadow. Then fire dragon bright as a highlight. Washed with brown it gives your models a sort of "I've been in the trenches look. And for even more depth in highlights the next layer would be Vallejo light orange. They all seen to scale well together and blend easily with the brown.

The Vallejo colors are from the model color line.

Edit one. I use white as a primer. And the deep orange as a base ( I airbrush both of these) then its on to my other table for highlights lowlights and washes. (still going back in forth between tables using gloss and matte varnish between some steps working on new techniques)

An agitator ball in the colour pot is your best friend, especially with apparently too liquid colours or metallics, but it helps quite often
Also, as others pointed, using a proper base colour (i.e. Jokaero Orange) improves the result. If it's still too runny/liquid, remember not to overload the brush and/or try not diluting it too much, or it will lose consistency (you have to eyeball it, I fear, but around 1:1 ratio for basecoat could more or less do, as 3:1 or more thinning may be needed for layers...)
The tip of an "underbase" coat of bronzed flesh (or whatever it's called now) is golden if you primed black.

(If any of the above was too obvious, sorry... but tips always help someone, I hope ^^)

Hangover101 wrote:
Oh they looks awsome Silver, I think I will try that also

Cheers, I like it mainly because I hate painting and this technique gives good results quite quickly.

Did you paint any vehicles in that style btw? How does it look over a larger surface area?

If you are doing it over a larger surface area it can pool and get a bit blotchy, but it isn't too bad. I would use several much thinner washes, rather than one thick wash as I would do on the infantry.

I have one picture of this technique on vehicles, but they are all still wet so look much worse than they do when dry (and they have not had the black wash applied):



I don't have any more recent photos as I was moving house when I was painting them and I have not got them out of storage yet.

Spray gun, my friend. Spray gun.

Wow, I really like the look of them... and FIVE Falcons... thats just awesome