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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 17:25:19
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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I don't have to outrun the Demon Prince, I just have to outrun you. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 17:29:38
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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Beautiful work and the bases are outstanding as well. They look so good, that I would be apprehensive in using them in tourneys. Too much handling may mar the great work you have done.
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Strength and Honor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 17:33:33
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Excellent painting. Just a shame there aren't any new Sisters models around :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 19:05:48
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Many thanks!
There might be a company doing some neat new Sisters minis down the line
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/23 19:07:40
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Dipping With Wood Stain
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I love the NMM gold effect, I really wish I was any good at that particular technique
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 06:50:18
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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It is not as complicated as it seems to be. The biggest part is keeping control of your lights and darks.
Here are a few more images...
And a sneak peek at a few bases:
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I don't have to outrun the Demon Prince, I just have to outrun you. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 08:34:00
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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The Hammer of Witches
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Beauty. I suppose it doesn't have to be black to be gothic!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 10:25:58
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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Very nice indeed, excellent freehand on the bases.
Love the colour scheme too, similar to the one i use on my SoB, but much better execution. Look forward to seeing more pictures
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10000pts - Sisters Venatores
2500pts - Imbros Irregulars
- 3000pts
Alpha Legion (HH era) - 7000pts finished
Army of Mousillon - Bretonnian Black Knight army - 3000pts (66% painted)
Host of Xblanque - Lizardmen Army - 7000pts (50% painted) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 13:41:44
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Really nice work. I like the color scheme. Overall very well done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 14:13:36
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Brilliant work; great colours, great paint jobs, fantastic bases, and I like how you've replaced the crappy metal stands the seraphim come on with clear plastic. I would love to see more!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 14:30:46
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Great freehand on the bases. Good job.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 14:50:26
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Many thanks for the kind words! This is a faction I have been working on for a while, but now it is going to be a reality, since I need them for part of my Adepticon army in 2014!!
Here is a better view of the bases. The character on the 60mm is Saint Morrighan, who has a very specific place in the story of the army...
In this year's Adepticon 40k Champs, I ended up playing 3 of 4 games against orks. Three Fighta Bommas almost every time, with a waagh, tossing 60 re-rollable ST6 shots every turn, killing every single space elf.
Nothing like going up against tons of orks sitting on objectives behind ADL's, backed up by 3 of those orky planes,etc. That's one reason why I am doing I.G. As much anti plane stuff as I can muster, and dozens of cheap girls to mob the enemy the way I got mobbed. That and bringing my own fort along. :-)
The story behind the army has been one of my favorites for a long time. This is a Celtic sort of world, mixing standing stones and hive cities. The warriors paint their faces with blue woad and have lots of tattoos.
Ork raids took place many times over the centuries on this world, especially in its pre-industrial state. The Orks figured it would be a pushover. However, the Inquisition noticed these incusrions, and sent its own warriors (disguised as locals) and weapons there as well. The orks would lose, and they could not figure out why.
They thought it might be the blue face paint, so they put blue face paint on themselves and sent more Orks. Same result. They became obsessed with the blue in the way that red and "Go Fastah" get most Orks going.
So, they painted everything blue, and so on.
The Sisters of Battle take a particular interest in this world, due to a high quality of fighting spirit among the women. There is one character that stands out among all of them. She is trained even more in secret by special Inquisition units to make her even more effective
Eventually, this character from this world becomes a living saint (like Celestine), as she leads victorious armies time and time again against the Orks.
This story was supposed to tie in my Orks and Sisters together. In fact, I even painted several Orks in this blue color scheme. As a result, I have plenty of Orks that I can use as "extras", like the cyberwolves for the DE. I will see if I can snag some of those starter set cultists to use as mutants and other crazy stuff running around in the underhive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 17:50:16
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Huge Hierodule
United States
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Wow. Way to breathe some life into some rather old and, frankly, underwhelming models and making them look fantastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 18:26:59
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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Excellent freehand! And some very nice blending plus its nice to see SoB getting some love.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 18:31:41
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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I have to say that I'm a huge fan of the bases, especially the fact that parts of it look very celtic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/24 18:37:20
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Very inspiring work. Just curious.. What kind of brushes do you use to get the small details and highlights?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 01:45:47
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Glad that people are enjoying the Celtic look! There are going to be many murals on the walls of the cathedral!
I use liner brushes for the detailed stuff. They hold a decent amount of paint, but are designed to spread out that pigment over a long distance, unlike the spotters...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 04:35:09
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Frag you and your amazing freehand ability.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 15:46:55
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Sometimes I end up fragging myself
Anyway, here is a sneak peek at the army board for next year...
Since it is a combo IG and Sisters army, I will have plenty of bodies to inhabit all the different levels! Plus, there will be lots of orks and mutants running around...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 17:13:19
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
Sheppey, England
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That board's going to look amazing. Will you be scratchbuilding it or kitbashing from existing terrain pieces?
Also, I love the colour scheme for your SoB. It's got a pleasingly understated cohesive feel to it.
Will the IG be painted in similar colours?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 17:23:44
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Just in case you're interested in some of the mythology and meanings behind ravens in Celtic culture (just in case you aren't already aware);
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morr%C3%ADgan
The Morrígan ("phantom queen") or Mórrígan ("great queen"), also written as Morrígu or in the plural as Morrígna, and spelt Morríghan or Mór-ríoghain in Modern Irish, is a figure from Irish mythology who appears to have been considered a goddess, although she is not explicitly referred to as such in the texts.
The Morrígan is a goddess of battle, strife, and sovereignty. She sometimes appears in the form of a crow, flying above the warriors, and in the Ulster cycle she also takes the form of an eel, a wolf and a cow. She is generally considered a war deity comparable with the Germanic Valkyries, although her association with a cow may also suggest a role connected with wealth and the land.
She is often depicted as a trio of goddesses, all sisters,[1][2][3] although membership of the triad varies; the most common combinations are Badb, Macha and Nemain,[4] or Badb, Macha and Anand; Anand is also given as an alternate name for Morrigu.[5] Other accounts name Fea, and others.[4]
Ulster Cycle [edit]
The Morrígan's earliest narrative appearances, in which she is depicted as an individual,[17] are in stories of the Ulster Cycle, where she has an ambiguous relationship with the hero Cú Chulainn. In Táin Bó Regamna (The Cattle Raid of Regamain), Cúchulainn encounters the Morrígan, but does not recognize her, as she drives a heifer from his territory. In response to this perceived challenge, and his ignorance of her role as a sovereignty figure, he insults her. But before he can attack her she becomes a black bird on a nearby branch. Cúchulainn now knows who she is, and tells her that had he known before, they would not have parted in enmity. She notes that whatever he had done would have brought him ill luck. To his response that she cannot harm him, she delivers a series of warnings, foretelling a coming battle in which he will be killed. She tells him, "it is at the guarding of thy death that I am; and I shall be."[18]
In the Táin Bó Cuailnge queen Medb of Connacht launches an invasion of Ulster to steal the bull Donn Cuailnge; the Morrígan, like Alecto of the Greek Furies, appears to the bull in the form of a crow and warns him to flee.[19] Cúchulainn defends Ulster by fighting a series of single combats at fords against Medb's champions. In between combats the Morrígan appears to him as a young woman and offers him her love, and her aid in the battle, but he rejects her offer. In response she intervenes in his next combat, first in the form of an eel who trips him, then as a wolf who stampedes cattle across the ford, and finally as a white, red-eared heifer leading the stampede, just as she had warned in their previous encounter. However Cúchulainn wounds her in each form and defeats his opponent despite her interference. Later she appears to him as an old woman bearing the same three wounds that her animal forms sustained, milking a cow. She gives Cúchulainn three drinks of milk. He blesses her with each drink, and her wounds are healed.[20] He regrets blessing her for the three drinks of milk which is apparent in the exchange between the Morrígan and Cúchulainn, "She gave him milk from the third teat, and her leg was healed. 'You told me once,' she said,'that you would never heal me.' 'Had I known it was you,' said Cúchulainn, 'I never would have.'"[21] As the armies gather for the final battle, she prophesies the bloodshed to come.[22]
In one version of Cúchulainn's death-tale, as Cúchulainn rides to meet his enemies, he encounters the Morrígan as a hag washing his bloody armour in a ford, an omen of his death. Later in the story, mortally wounded, Cúchulainn ties himself to a standing stone with his own entrails so he can die upright, and it is only when a crow lands on his shoulder that his enemies believe he is dead.[23]
Mythological Cycle [edit]
The Morrígan also appears in texts of the Mythological Cycle. In the 12th century pseudohistorical compilation Lebor Gabála Érenn she is listed among the Tuatha Dé Danann as one of the daughters of Ernmas, granddaughter of Nuada.[5]
The first three daughters of Ernmas are given as Ériu, Banba, and Fódla. Their names are synonyms for Ireland, and they were married to Mac Cuill, Mac Cécht, and Mac Gréine, the last three Tuatha Dé Danann kings of Ireland. Associated with the land and kingship, they probably represent a triple goddess of sovereignty. Next come Ernmas's other three daughters: Badb, Macha, and the Morrígan. A quatrain describes the three as wealthy, "springs of craftiness" and "sources of bitter fighting". The Morrígan's name is also said to be Anand, and she had three sons, Glon, Gaim, and Coscar. According to Geoffrey Keating's 17th century History of Ireland, Ériu, Banba, and Fódla worshipped Badb, Macha, and the Morrígan respectively.[24]
The Morrígan also appears in Cath Maige Tuireadh (The Battle of Mag Tuired).[25] On Samhain she keeps a tryst with the Dagda before the battle against the Fomorians. When he meets her she is washing herself, standing with one foot on either side of the river Unius. In some sources she is believed to have created the river. After they have sex, the Morrígan promises to summon the magicians of Ireland to cast spells on behalf of the Tuatha Dé, and to destroy Indech, the Fomorian king, taking from him "the blood of his heart and the kidneys of his valour". Later, we are told, she would bring two handfuls of his blood and deposit them in the same river (however, we are also told later in the text that Indech was killed by Ogma).
As battle is about to be joined, the Tuatha Dé leader, Lug, asks each what power they bring to the battle. The Morrígan's reply is difficult to interpret, but involves pursuing, destroying and subduing. When she comes to the battlefield she chants a poem, and immediately the battle breaks and the Fomorians are driven into the sea. After the battle she chants another poem celebrating the victory and prophesying the end of the world.[26][27]
In another story she lures away the bull of a woman named Odras. Odras then follows the Morrígan to the Otherworld, via the cave of Cruachan. When Odras falls asleep, the Morrígan turns her into a pool of water.[28]
Nature and functions [edit]
The Morrígan is often considered a triple goddess, but this triple nature is ambiguous and inconsistent. Sometimes she appears as one of three sisters, the daughters of Ernmas: Morrígan, Badb and Macha.[29] Sometimes the trinity consists of Badb, Macha and Anann, collectively known as the Morrígna. Occasionally Nemain or Fea appear in the various combinations. However, the Morrígan can also appear alone,[17] and her name is sometimes used interchangeably with Badb.[26]
The Morrígan is usually interpreted as a "war goddess"; W. M. Hennessey's "The Ancient Irish Goddess of War", written in 1870, was influential in establishing this interpretation.[30] Her role often involves premonitions of a particular warrior's violent death, suggesting a link with the Banshee of later folklore. This connection is further noted by Patricia Lysaght: "In certain areas of Ireland this supernatural being is, in addition to the name banshee, also called the badhb".[31] Her role was to not only be a symbol of imminent death, but to also influence the outcome of war. Most often she did this by appearing as a crow flying overhead and would either inspire fear or courage in the hearts of the warriors. There are also a few rare accounts where she would join in the battle itself as a warrior and show her favoritism in a more direct manner.[32]
It has also been suggested that she was closely tied to Irish männerbund groups[33] (described as "bands of youthful warrior-hunters, living on the borders of civilized society and indulging in lawless activities for a time before inheriting property and taking their places as members of settled, landed communities")[34] and that these groups may have been in some way dedicated to her. If true, her worship may have resembled that of Perchta groups in Germanic areas.[35]
However, Máire Herbert has argued that "war per se is not a primary aspect of the role of the goddess",[36] and that her association with cattle suggests her role was connected to the earth, fertility and sovereignty; she suggests that her association with war is a result of a confusion between her and the Badb, who she argues was originally a separate figure. She can be interpreted as providing political or military aid, or protection to the king—acting as a goddess of sovereignty, not necessarily a war goddess.
There is a burnt mound site in County Tipperary known as Fulacht na Mór Ríoghna ('cooking pit of the Mórrígan'). The fulachtaí sites are found in wild areas, and usually associated with outsiders such as the Fianna and the above-mentioned männerbund groups, as well as with the hunting of deer. The cooking connection also suggests to some a connection with the three mythical hags who cook the meal of dogflesh that brings the hero Cúchulainn to his doom. The Dá Chich na Morrigna ('two breasts of the Mórrígan'), a pair of hills in County Meath, suggest to some a role as a tutelary goddess, comparable to Anu, who has her own hills, Dá Chích Anann ('the breasts of Anu') in County Kerry. Other goddesses known to have similar hills are Áine and Grian of County Limerick who, in addition to a tutelary function, also have solar attributes.
Also one of the Celtic High Kings (Ard Ri), Lugh, was assocated with ravens
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolic-raven-meaning-for-celtic-tattoo-ideas.html
Raven meanings are also associated with the Celtic high king, Lugh who is considered a masterfully skilled in smithing, crafting, prophecy, swordsmanship, art and generally, an all-wise king.
In their association with the mighty Lugh, ravens take on a prophetic capacity. Ravens were an oracle for Lugh, forewarning him of invasions and other information that allowed him to lay clever military strategy.
To be sure, raven meanings speaking of keeping and protecting sacred wisdom and mystic law. It is thought ravens consume the soul upon physical death so that soul-knowledge will not die with the body - but rather lives on while carried aloft raven wings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 18:26:50
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Absolutely fantastic work, by far the best Sisters army I've ever seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 19:20:20
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Nasty Nob
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Can't wait for the project log to start on this!
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Current Project: Random quaratine models!
Most Recently Completed: Stormcast Nightvault Warband
On the Desk: Looking into 3D Printing!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 20:31:45
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Awesome work!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 21:32:59
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Many thanks for the info
I will have to post some of my Celtic Mythology illustration series... I painted Branwen, Morrighan, Maeve & Cuchulain, Arianrhod, Bridget and more.
For the IG portion of this, I am using the upcoming Raging Heroes kickstarter minis. In addition, I am converting some Hail Caesar Celts into conscripts. I have been putting IG bit and Victoria packs on them...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 21:40:19
Subject: Sisters of the Raven
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Awesome work on the freehanded bases.
Can't wait to see you work on the board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/25 21:52:10
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Inquisitor Wappellious wrote:Many thanks for the info
I will have to post some of my Celtic Mythology illustration series... I painted Branwen, Morrighan, Maeve & Cuchulain, Arianrhod, Bridget and more.
For the IG portion of this, I am using the upcoming Raging Heroes kickstarter minis. In addition, I am converting some Hail Caesar Celts into conscripts. I have been putting IG bit and Victoria packs on them...
Have you looked into any of the artwork of Jim Fitzpatrick? He did a lot based on Celtic myths and legends, some of it is NSFW though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 03:31:52
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Xenohunter with First Contact
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Here is a quick sketch that I made years ago. This is the character in the planet's pre-industrial stage, before she becomes a full fledged Saint, and everything is revealed to her about the interventions of the Sororitas:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry! I forgot to answer the questions about the board!
The board will be at least 4-4.5 feet high. It will be constructed of pink foam, much like the Dark Eldar board I made for this year. There will be some other elements used for the machinery and glowing conduits.
Each level will be done individually, so that it is easier to paint, and then to play on! That would let us plop down the levels, and move everyone around inside...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 06:19:08
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Your models look great. The bases, especially, are amazing. You've done a great job selecting a color range for the army that is unique, visually engaging, and not so far out of genre as to break us out of the 40k zone when we see it.
That being said, I think that having gone to so much work, the flight sticks do your models a great disservice. The magnificence of excellence on this scale comes from tricking the eye into thinking it's looking at something REAL, just in miniature, and the flight stick shakes us violently out of that illusion. The clear acrylic flight rod is like seeing the boom mike in-frame in a movie. Or taking an original Rembrandt and using it for stairwell dressing rather than displaying it in the gallery where it belongs.
I know not everyone has the pro skills or the time to do an entire army without the rods. However, you are generally regarded pretty highly in your posts here, and I came to this thread hoping for some inspiration in how to suspend MY flying models without rods, or with the rods concealed.
Like I said, the models are painted well. The bases look amazing. The acrylic rods just undo a great deal of the extra effort you put into them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 15:31:38
Subject: Re:Sisters of the Raven
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Jimsolo wrote:Your models look great. The bases, especially, are amazing. You've done a great job selecting a color range for the army that is unique, visually engaging, and not so far out of genre as to break us out of the 40k zone when we see it.
That being said, I think that having gone to so much work, the flight sticks do your models a great disservice. The magnificence of excellence on this scale comes from tricking the eye into thinking it's looking at something REAL, just in miniature, and the flight stick shakes us violently out of that illusion. The clear acrylic flight rod is like seeing the boom mike in-frame in a movie. Or taking an original Rembrandt and using it for stairwell dressing rather than displaying it in the gallery where it belongs.
I know not everyone has the pro skills or the time to do an entire army without the rods. However, you are generally regarded pretty highly in your posts here, and I came to this thread hoping for some inspiration in how to suspend MY flying models without rods, or with the rods concealed.
Like I said, the models are painted well. The bases look amazing. The acrylic rods just undo a great deal of the extra effort you put into them.
You can't really avoid the flight sticks, unless you use armorcast smoke bases but that's another entire can of worms
http://armorcast.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=100&products_id=1261
The non-flight stick types tend to have some sort of terrain they just touch or brass rods, which look worse. I'm fine with the sticks for now,
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