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2013/06/05 09:26:02
Subject: Barrage Question
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
Tucson, Arizona
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Interesting question popped up in a game I played this evening in regards to barrage and scattering off the table. By the way my opponent was using a unit of three biovores. The BRB states that if a blast scatters off the table that the shot is "discarded". Does that mean that since the intial shot was "discarded" that the other two would also be discarded as there isnt an initial shot to flip from?
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2013/06/05 11:59:05
Subject: Re:Barrage Question
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I don't have the book to hand... but if I remember correctly, you use the final position of the first shot to line up the others, right?
If so then yes, you've lost the whole thing.
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2013/06/05 18:08:04
Subject: Re:Barrage Question
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
Tucson, Arizona
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That is what I ended up ruling towards as I couldn't find anything that went against it. Anyone else agree/disagree?
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2013/06/05 18:14:21
Subject: Barrage Question
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Fixture of Dakka
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That is correct. The only way for the shots to be "saved" was if he was firing directly and not as a barrage.
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2013/06/05 18:27:40
Subject: Barrage Question
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 jy2 wrote:That is correct. The only way for the shots to be "saved" was if he was firing directly and not as a barrage.
All barrage is direct unless within min range or out of sight.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2013/06/05 20:48:18
Subject: Barrage Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Your opponent had 3 Biovore so that is 3 different shots.
They are all separate shots, one of them scattering off the table means nothing to the other two
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2013/06/05 20:50:04
Subject: Barrage Question
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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40k-noob wrote:Your opponent had 3 Biovore so that is 3 different shots.
They are all separate shots, one of them scattering off the table means nothing to the other two
Multiple Barrage rules take effect.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/06/05 20:52:21
Subject: Barrage Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Happyjew wrote:40k-noob wrote:Your opponent had 3 Biovore so that is 3 different shots.
They are all separate shots, one of them scattering off the table means nothing to the other two
Multiple Barrage rules take effect.
Your right, forgot about that. :(
Edit:
Since I had to go back and read the Barrage rules:
I have to say that if the 1st shot is "Discarded" then you move on the the next, until the "...first marker is placed..." and then continue.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/06/05 20:55:15
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2013/06/06 05:40:43
Subject: Barrage Question
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Actually... No. The multiple barrage rules says:
1) Put down the first marker on the target.
2) Scatter it.
3) Put the next markers like so and so with regards to the first one.
If the first one is off the table, you have no first marker to put the next shots next to and hence no permission to put them anywhere.
So if the first Biovore shot scatters off the table, RAW they all miss.
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2013/06/06 23:53:26
Subject: Barrage Question
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Dakka Veteran
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jy2 wrote:The only way for the shots to be "saved" was if he was firing directly and not as a barrage.
Keep in mind that "firing directly" in 6th edition no longer makes the weapon "not barrage" like it did in 5th edition. A barrage weapon is always a barrage weapon in 6th.
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