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If this is the set up can the Horde unit charge under the rule of enemy closing the door when you can not by wheeling the left front into the enemy and having the enemy close door bringing along its own combat or can it not.



Thanks

The enemy unit's already in CC, so it shouldn't have to move to accomodate your charge, thus if your initial wheel (from the front right corner, trying to avoid your engaged unit) bumps into your own engaged unit, you fail your charge

I think that is probably the way it works but it seems odd

If that is to scale, no the charge could no be completed.

If you were farther away you could as you could wheel and move forward to contact.

Charges are already stupidly easy to complete in 8th edition as you only measure closest to closest and then "teleport" into CC without taking into account the 15" wheel that your big horde needs to complete
It's the only small thing you have to plan for, obstructions

The one wheel makes them very tricky. You plop a sad little gnoblar with a tummy ache in between 5000 screaming ogres and 10000 screaming Daemons then neither one can get at each other for a round.

I like the concepts of redirectors and feingts and such, but some armies simply can't do it.

Yes you can, the free wheel you get does not have to be forward, so just wheel back until the angle takes your other unit out of the way then move in

Page 14, "Units are not allowed to wheel backwards"

i stand corrected

i agree with the no.

if you have range, then you can charge and ignore range and distance of your wheel, but are still restricted to following normal movment rules.

as such, you would have to wheel piviting on the left side, but the right side would clip into the friendly unit, thereby stopping the charge. worse, as a failed charge your unit will now move forwards by the amount shown on the highest dice, placing you in an even more tricky location.

(question: if your highest dice was a 5 and the friendly unit is 4" away, do you 'bouce' out the back of the combat and take DT checks? or stop 1" away?)

i think the only thing to do here, is instead of declaring a charge, declare a reform into something like a 5 front with a ton of ranks. then next turn make your charge. if you win combat you can reform to maximize your front ranks (providing you dont get charged in the side or rear after you charge in)

if both units declared the charge in the same turn, it DOES matter who moves first. so next time move your gigantic horde into posistion first, then move the MC. he may only get into a corner or something, but at least that way both units get in.

You stop 1" away from the intervening unit
If both units declare a charge at the same time, the big unit might still possibly be blocked, especially if it's something like 1" behind the blocker and the blocker is only 1" away from the target (and the target is not very wide, so you have to stay in the middle to maximize), the wheel might still not be possible

If you declare at the same time you maximise *both* units that are charging, not just the first one to move.

True that, but it might still happen that you're blocking yourself, rarely, but it might happen

Oh indeed, however I was pointing out that you cannot fail just because the first unit moved has taken up all the room (i.e. 7 wide 20mm charging 5 wide 20mm) through maximising.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If you declare at the same time you maximise *both* units that are charging, not just the first one to move.

Same turn you mean. You can't declare 2 charges at the same time.

-Matt

Gah, true, true - declare two charges during the same declare charges subphase