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... Who?

I'm not up to date on any 40k related rumors, and seeing how this edition is doing, I can't assume who will get an update next.

I certainly would like to see updates for armies that have been left in the dust like SoB and BT. I know Eldar were just recently updated and I'm sure plans for the next update are still well underwater.

Who would you like to see get a codex update? Is it your army and does it fall behind in this edition?

It's supposed to be Codex: Space Marines. Black Templar might get rolled into that, but no one knows for certain there. The only likely rumour we're hearing is a large Contemptor-style Dreadnought.

Codex Space marines, and after them apparently Orks, Imperial Guard and Tyranids, though the order isn't known, but Imperial Guard will be between the two.

So we can assume 6th edition is the edition of super-walkers?

 BattleCapIronblood wrote:
So we can assume 6th edition is the edition of super-walkers?

And flyers, plastic characters and dual kits.

The basic pattern that seems to be emerging is there will be an oval base walker/monstrous creature, a flyer, a plastic character and a metal unit done in plastic as a dual kit (so people who have them in metal have a reason to buy it). Add in other stuff/remove stuff dependant on the release.

Daemons didn't have a flyer, but got 2 oval base kits, Dark Angels didn't have an oval base kit but had a dual kit flyer, Chaos had both an oval base dual kit and a flyer, Tau had a single oval base kit and two separate flyer kits, Eldar had a dual kit flyer and an oval base kit.

Daemons had Plaguebearers go plastic, but not dual kit. Chaos had Raptors go dual kit plastic. Dark Angels I don't think had a metal unit go plastic, if only because they had none to convert. Tau had Pathfinders go plastic, and Eldar had Wraithguard go dual kit plastic.

Daemons got some Heralds in plastic, Chaos god a plastic Aspiring Champion, Eldar got a plastic Farseer and Tau got a plastic Fireblade. I can't recall if DA got a plastic character.

Other units were sprinkled in (Plague Riders, DJ Speeder, etc), but the running theme is a large walker on an oval base, a flyer, a metal unit going dual kit plastic and a plastic character for each release.

edit - corrected the daemon stuff

The pace of GW releasing new codices or army books is astonishing - with a period of 2 months. So Eldar in June would mean SM in August.

 wuestenfux wrote:
The pace of GW releasing new codices or army books is astonishing - with a period of 2 months. So Eldar in June would mean SM in August.

Eldar in June and Apocalypse in July would actually more point to Space Marines in September, with August probably going Fantasy. Then October for another Fantasy book, then November for Ork or Tyranids, and December for the Hobbit.

 -Loki- wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
The pace of GW releasing new codices or army books is astonishing - with a period of 2 months. So Eldar in June would mean SM in August.

Eldar in June and Apocalypse in July would actually more point to Space Marines in September, with August probably going Fantasy. Then October for another Fantasy book, then November for Ork or Tyranids, and December for the Hobbit.

In fact, an Apo book would defer the release of the other army codices or books. I find it amusing to see that GW changed its policy here.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
It's supposed to be Codex: Space Marines. Black Templar might get rolled into that, but no one knows for certain there. The only likely rumour we're hearing is a large Contemptor-style Dreadnought.

Its been announced (or at least according to a friend it has so I guess its been a conformed rumor? ) that codex space marines will have a number of supplement books attatched to them, Ultramarines being the one that I "know" about. If this is the case I could easily see the following supplemental books:

-Ultramrines
-Ravenguard
-White Scars
-Imperial Fists
-Black Templars

No one knows what supplements there'll be, for all we know they could release a Rainbow Marines supplement.

No we don't, but Black Templars definitely suit a supplement than an entire codex.

 gmaleron wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
It's supposed to be Codex: Space Marines. Black Templar might get rolled into that, but no one knows for certain there. The only likely rumour we're hearing is a large Contemptor-style Dreadnought.

Its been announced (or at least according to a friend it has so I guess its been a conformed rumor? ) that codex space marines will have a number of supplement books attatched to them, Ultramarines being the one that I "know" about. If this is the case I could easily see the following supplemental books:

-Ultramrines
-Ravenguard
-White Scars
-Imperial Fists
-Black Templars

Hey, each supplement codex with one page of rules for 39 Euro. Great news!

I really hope the Ork codex will come soon. Its been a long waiting time for us.
Sure the codex is still viable but there is less and less options left for us now.

So far we have Chaos x2, DA, Tau and Eldar. 2 bad guys and 3 good guys.
You can debate if tau and eldar are good but if you look at how they can ally I would say so.
And if they release Space Marines we really need to fill up with some more bad guys.

Please GW, gimme a new Ork codex for X-mas.

 Vombat wrote:
Please GW, gimme a new Ork codex for X-mas.

There's a good chance Orks will be before Christmas - 50/50 with Tyranids. Marines are next, and there's room for one more 40k codex before Christmas. Rumours say it's either Orks or Tyranids.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
It's supposed to be Codex: Space Marines. Black Templar might get rolled into that, but no one knows for certain there. The only likely rumour we're hearing is a large Contemptor-style Dreadnought.

Basically every rumour about a new codex now holds 'new big walker' or 'new big monstrous creature'. And that's combined with lots of complaining that every codex gets new gets a big monstrous creature these days. while only 3 out of the 5 sixth edition codexes released so far actually have them. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised that of the upcoming codexes, Tyranids just get models for the Harpy (and variant?) and Mycetic Spore as big models, SM get the new vehicles as their big kits and IG just get some of their missing artillery. Orks I can see getting a larger walker I guess; they're not missing that much in terms of (larger) models I believe.

The new models for Codex: Space Marines that have been mentioned by Hastings (probably the most reliable source for what new models are going to be released) were actually a new suit of power armour somewhere in size between a terminator and a dreadnought, and new variants on the Rhino chassis. But these rumours seem to be drowned out by all the talk about a new Dreadnought.

 wuestenfux wrote:
The pace of GW releasing new codices or army books is astonishing - with a period of 2 months. So Eldar in June would mean SM in August.

+1 to this. Historically it was not uncommon for you wait 8 years for a new codex.

Given the following armies keep codexes and no new ones are released (BT is the wildcard)
- BA
- CD
- CSM
- DA
- Eldar
- GK
- IG
- Necrons
- Orks
- SoB
- C:SM
- SW
- Tau
- Nids
That's 14 different armies. Given a 2 month cycle between them, that's a new codex every 28 months. That's incredible.
While it does mean you have to buy a new codex every 2.5 years, it also means your not likely to be completely boned for 5+ years playing an obsolete codex.

I believe they wanted 6th edition to last a decent while, so after all the codexes are updated to 6th edition, I wouldn't be surprised we get showered with Codex Supplements like the recent Codex: Iyanden and Expansions like Apocalypse.

The strange thing is, why didn't they start with CSM codex with supplements? Or Chaos Daemons?

Both have sub-factions already with plenty of rules possible.

Labmouse, you forgot Dark Eldar, there's 16 armies (counting Templars).

 labmouse42 wrote:
While it does mean you have to buy a new codex every 2.5 years, it also means your not likely to be completely boned for 5+ years playing an obsolete codex.

Bear in mind that the only time they've redone codices in the middle of an edition were, IIRC, Space Mariens and Chaos Space Marines (and maybe Imperial Guard?) for their 3.5 codices with bucketloads of options.

An edition is about 4 years long. GW running out of codices in 2.5 years can easily be mitigated by the new Supplement books.

 Shandara wrote:
The strange thing is, why didn't they start with CSM codex with supplements? Or Chaos Daemons?

Both have sub-factions already with plenty of rules possible.

# of SM players vs. # of CSM players I guess.

 -Loki- wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
The pace of GW releasing new codices or army books is astonishing - with a period of 2 months. So Eldar in June would mean SM in August.

Eldar in June and Apocalypse in July would actually more point to Space Marines in September, with August probably going Fantasy. Then October for another Fantasy book, then November for Ork or Tyranids, and December for the Hobbit.

September is rumored to be the 'Limited Edition Special Box' release, which is hinted at being a new edition of Blood Bowl.

That means we're likely looking at;
July - Apoc
August - Lizardmen
Sept - Ltm ed Blood Bowl
Oct - Space Marines
Nov - Dwarfs or Dark Elves
Dec - Xmas crap + a few big kits. (maybe those plastic Greater Daemons Hastings/Harry have been hinting at?!)

That move Bugs or Greenies into the Jan '14 slot, followed likely by either Dwarfs or Dark Elves (whichever one missed out in Nov), then the leftover from 'Nids/Orks, maybe 1 more Fantasy book (if the rumors of 9th are true) and then finally IG.


As for how long 6th ed lasts? I think it depends on how well balanced they can keep the codices this time around...
They said the same things initially about Fantasy 8th ed, despite the huge outcry about how piss-poor the Magic Phase is. (or rather, how stupidly easy it is to simply delete entire units+characters wby 6-dicing the #6 mega spells!)
But now we've also have 3 books back-to-back-to-back that have really upset the balance of everything, with the worst being DoC vs HE's AND we've now seen what is likely the single most borked magic item since 5th edition's Forbidden Rod!

Hence the rumors of 9th edition being 'sooner rather than later.'

 -Loki- wrote:
No we don't, but Black Templars definitely suit a supplement than an entire codex.

Yeah, but you could say the same about Dark Angels, Blood Angels and (maybe) Space Wolves...

Poor BT and SoB, but we need a smurf update.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
The strange thing is, why didn't they start with CSM codex with supplements? Or Chaos Daemons?

Both have sub-factions already with plenty of rules possible.

# of SM players vs. # of CSM players I guess.

Maybe if Games Workshop hadn't driven Chaos players away from Chaos for years by consistently devaluing the most popular part of Chaos (Legions).

I feel DA and SW are very different than normal SM. DA has very different (for being a SM chapter) style than vanilla SM.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
No we don't, but Black Templars definitely suit a supplement than an entire codex.

Yeah, but you could say the same about Dark Angels, Blood Angels and (maybe) Space Wolves...

Not anymore. Before their 5th edition codices, sure, but now? They've well and truly separated them from the main codex. Black Templars, however, are still largely similar.

Not that I wish it on BT players, but it would be a good cost cutting descision. BT players still get their army list done as it is now and GW don't have to dedicate the resources of an entire codex to do it.

I thought BT players would rejoice in the idea. The army, as it is, is obviously what BT players want. People piss and moan when GW add a bunch of ridiculous units to Space Marines, and this solution would sidestep that. You'd get your current army list updated and would piggy back off the main Space Marine codex. The only options you'd have to worry about are whatever new stuff SM get that make it into the BT list in the supplement.

So are blood angels completely screwed on getting a new dex? anytime soon? i feel like they have one of the worst books and arent due for an update for a long time.. ?

The best info we have on these forums is here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371300.page

 -Loki- wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
No we don't, but Black Templars definitely suit a supplement than an entire codex.

Yeah, but you could say the same about Dark Angels, Blood Angels and (maybe) Space Wolves...

Not anymore. Before their 5th edition codices, sure, but now? They've well and truly separated them from the main codex. Black Templars, however, are still largely similar.

Not that I wish it on BT players, but it would be a good cost cutting descision. BT players still get their army list done as it is now and GW don't have to dedicate the resources of an entire codex to do it.

I thought BT players would rejoice in the idea. The army, as it is, is obviously what BT players want. People piss and moan when GW add a bunch of ridiculous units to Space Marines, and this solution would sidestep that. You'd get your current army list updated and would piggy back off the main Space Marine codex. The only options you'd have to worry about are whatever new stuff SM get that make it into the BT list in the supplement.

Yeah but of course in 3rd the other chapters were what the supplements were for. Now that we have full Codices for them the supplements almost seem pointless (why buy the Iyanden book when you can make an Iyanden army in-Codex easily?), unless they use it for Chaos Legions.