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**Toastedandy**

Ordnance battery - 570
3 Deathstrike missile launchers w/cam netting

**Deadshot**

3 LC/MM Stormravens(BA version)-600

**Anvildude**

Teufelhunde wrote:I gotta be honest....Im not sure that group could beat Belial and his squad. Ork Rokkits are AP3, right? That would mean even if you hit, I have my 2+ armor, and even if you charge, the company banner gives my guys +1A, so I end up with 13 LCs before your Nobz and Gahzy attack, and 9 TH attacks simul with them. In my case, the LCs would swing at the MANz just to deny them their attacks, and I'd leav the THs for Gahzkul.

I'd need to test roll it, but i honestly think Gahzkull and his boyz would lose that fight.

Edit: I just test rolled that fight, I don't know if you'd direct Gahzy's attacks at Belial or his squad, but without Gahzy's rolls I ended the rolling with all 4 MANz dead and a wound on Gahzkull, and none of my boys dead.

Edit 2: assumed Gahzy rolling against squads, to try to cause more fearless wounds on Belial and kill more troops. Either my dice hate orks or the dice gods favored my boys, because Gahzy didn't cause a single wound either.

End result of test rolls: Gahzy lost combat by 6. Leadership check on LD 3: Gahzkull fails and runs.

Ain't Ghazzy fearless? Or Stubborn or something? Seems he ought to be, anyways.

@ Land Raiders- 8 Nob Bikers w/ PKs - 540

Dang, ninja'd. Can Bikers hit Stormravens, though? Cause if they can, they'd still win.

**Toastedandy**

They can as its a skimmer

Draigo w/ 10 terminators - 675

**Deadshot**

Feel no PAINT?

Tyranid Prime with lash whip and Bonesword,deathspitter and adrenal glands, leading 9 warriors all with adrenal glands, toxin sacs, deathspitters and lash whip and bonesword and 1 venom cannon-630

**CthuluIsSpy**

3 Storm Ravens - 600

**Deadshot**

Plain ones?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Deadshot wrote:Plain ones?

Yeah, standard loadout

**Deadshot**

2 Trannofexes with rupture cannons,cluster spines, regeneration and adrenals in case I get a charge-600

**CthuluIsSpy**

10 Paladins, with hammers -550

**shakey787**

10 assault termies lightning claws - 400 pts

**Vindicare-Obsession**

2 squads of 10 eldar pathfinders (snipers that go ap1 on any roll of 5-6 to hit and still can rend on the to wound. have a 2+ cover save in standard cover)

480

**Teufelhunde**

Anvildude wrote:
Teufelhunde wrote:I gotta be honest....Im not sure that group could beat Belial and his squad. Ork Rokkits are AP3, right? That would mean even if you hit, I have my 2+ armor, and even if you charge, the company banner gives my guys +1A, so I end up with 13 LCs before your Nobz and Gahzy attack, and 9 TH attacks simul with them. In my case, the LCs would swing at the MANz just to deny them their attacks, and I'd leav the THs for Gahzkul.

I'd need to test roll it, but i honestly think Gahzkull and his boyz would lose that fight.

Edit: I just test rolled that fight, I don't know if you'd direct Gahzy's attacks at Belial or his squad, but without Gahzy's rolls I ended the rolling with all 4 MANz dead and a wound on Gahzkull, and none of my boys dead.

Edit 2: assumed Gahzy rolling against squads, to try to cause more fearless wounds on Belial and kill more troops. Either my dice hate orks or the dice gods favored my boys, because Gahzy didn't cause a single wound either.

End result of test rolls: Gahzy lost combat by 6. Leadership check on LD 3: Gahzkull fails and runs.

Ain't Ghazzy fearless? Or Stubborn or something? Seems he ought to be, anyways.

@ Land Raiders- 8 Nob Bikers w/ PKs - 540

Dang, ninja'd. Can Bikers hit Stormravens, though? Cause if they can, they'd still win.

Seems like he should be, but he has the Mob Rule. That's his only connection to fearless or stubborn. He doesn't even have an invuln....just a 2+ and EW. His only invuln is on his Waaaagh turn, then its a 2++.

And i did my math wrong anyways. He lost by 8, he needed snake eyes to stay. He'd probably only have lost by 7 on a waaaagh turn...

Now, as for those eldar pathfinders...
2 squadrons of 3 Hellhounds each. 780 pts

"There is no 'Overkill'. There is only 'Opening fire!', and 'Reloading!'."

**Anvildude**

Aha! Wrong! Ghazzy does have an Invuln! 5++ from Cybork, to be exact.

And for those Hellhounds... Am I save in assuming they're armed with Template weapons?

Full squad of Tankbustas- 14 Bustaboyz, Nob w/ Rokkits & Eavy Armour, 3 Bomb Squigs- 255 points.

Can you take two squadrons in a single FoC slot? Regardless, the Squigs can fire on a separate target, and the Rokkits outrange you.

**Teufelhunde**

Ah, you are correct anvil. I missed that in his wargear entry. I knew something was wrong when Ghazy didn't have in invuln....I was going "WTF???"

And yes, Hellhounds are the IG flame tanks that fire a S6 flamer at 12" out. Their effective range is 24" + the template.

As for the tank busters, you have to get close enough to be burned out to use the bomb squigs. Rolling that out, I ended with one squadron completely crippled(2 destroyed and last one missing its flamer) and with the bomb squigs you bombed one of your own vehicles and made it so 2 stunned 2 more hell hounds.

The appropriate response then is to tank shock them with the hellhound missing its flamer and then burn it with the unscathed hellhound. That will knock the squad down to needing a ld check w/o the mod rule benefit.

**Jackster**

2 Nemesis Dreadknights - Heavy Psycannon, Daemon Hammer, Teleporter - 510

**Teufelhunde**

10 Assault termies with TH/SS and a Libby in Termie armor with SS, Epistolary, Might of the Ancients and Null Zone 590

**Jackster**

strickly speaking the dreadknights can just jump around and shoot Heavy Psycannon at you to death, but whatever.

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad - melta x4 - 70
Chimera - 55
Infantry Squads x4 - Commisar PW x5, GL x5 - 305
HWT x3 - AC - 75
HWT x3 - LC - 105

Total - 610

**Teufelhunde**

"Strictly speaking" the Tankbustas didn't average enough damage to crack my hellhound squadrons and Gahzy and his MANz were wrecked by lightning claws before they could swing back in test rolls.

Besides, Dreadknights are on those huge bases....jump 12" all you want, but unless you run i can close the distance sooner or later. And...my termies are unbelieveably lucky...

As for your Platoon of guardsmen, I counter with this:
LR Squadron 450 pts
2x LRMBTs, no upgrades.

**Jackster**

Very well

2 squadrons of Vendetta Gunship x2 - 520

**Anvildude**

Ah, right, forgot the Tankhammers. Silly of me, really. They're free, though, so 2 free Tankhammers... Could've added the Powerklaw to the Nob, then those three are the ones that use the Squigs...

And are you actually rolling these out once? Or are you taking averages and Mathhammering it? Just curious.

**Teufelhunde**

I'm actually rolling these out to see what happens. With the Tankbustas I assumed they were just shooting as they didn't have the tank hammers in your post. WITH the tank hammers.....well...I'm not gonna roll my poor hellhounds' demise.

Of course, we're also doing all of this in a vacuum, wher the unit that 'beats' the other unit gets the drop on their victim. In a real game, I'd mark those tankbustas as a very high priority and try to burn em before they get the chance to fire.

To the Vendetta squadrons, I offer you this::
Vulkan on field + 10 DP Sternguard with 8 combi-meltas and 2 meltas
Total: 525 points.

**Deadshot**

Jackster wrote:Very well

2 squadrons of Vendetta Gunship x2 - 520

3 squadrons of 1 Hydra tanks, 2 squadrons of 2, so 7 in total-525

**Jackster**

GKT x6 w/ 1 Psycannon and 1 Hammer
GK techmarine w/ Psychotroke, Rad and Stave
LRC w/ MM
670 total

I know LR would just roll over the Hydras, but that would be boring.

**woodbok**

Ravager - 105

**LokitheBear**

Lone wolf,,, storm shield, chain fist, terminator armour, 2 fenrisian wolves, 2+,3+ eternal warior and feel no pain 2 wounds for 105 points...

**Cerebrium**

15 shoota boyz, 90pts.

**woodbok**

Venom - 55

**Toastedandy**

Back to the double digits >.>

Big Mek w/Kustom force field and kustom mega blasta - 100pts

**woodbok**

Back to double digits.

10 Orkz with shootas - 60