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-Loki- wrote:And man, his and Mannfreds swords are the best swords GW have done. They actually look like two handed swords that can cleave through things.

This, I love.

I tried to use one on a DE dreadlord I had to attempt to vamp him up...it looked stupidly oversized XD

From what I've heard banshees and wrathes are now lords not special any more

decoy101 wrote:From what I've heard banshees and wrathes are now lords not special any more

Wrong on both. They were never special, they were rare. Now they are heroes, not lords, though we don't know if the rare choice has been removed and won't until we got the army book.

I stand corrected Loki you are correct they were never special they are rare. I really hope they dont take away that option though I had a really great idea with the present army book to have an almost entirely ethereal army list and was hoping i could carry that over to the new army book.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did move them to only heroes. The rare section of the book is now getting quite crowded - Blood Knights, Black Coach, Mortis Engine, Varghulf and Terrorgheist.

Moving them to the heroes section gives the army something different - cheap combat characters. Otherwise you can only take Wight Kings or Vampires for that role

Leaving them there in Rare as well gives more options, but that section really is a bit crowded now.

Shows how long its been since I played vc what about hex wrathes are they special ? If they are I can see them being used a lot

Yeah, Hexwraiths are Special. 5 with a Hellwraith (Champion) are 160, so if you assume 10 points for the Hellwraith, you're looking at 30 per Hexwraith. They're not cheap.

Does anybody have an idea whether the Von Carstein standard has raised detailing on the image (so, could I put my own design on there)? It's hard to see in the picture on the first page.

Definitely looks sculpted on.

Welp, there goes any chance of me using it. Unless I can file it off? Hmm.

It's not like you don't have leftover banners from the Skeleton Warrior or Grave Guard kits.

I just noticed the Vangheist box costs 37,- euros, so GW managed to sneak in another 2,- more for such kits...

Just saw this over on Warseer from anthoriam who found this info on a spanish website;

From a spanish website:

Dark Akolyth: 12.5 skavenslaves
+D3 for Nehek

Quick Blood: 15 skavenslaves
ASF

Curse of Widerganger: 27.5 skavenslaves
+1 W

Red Fury: 25 skavenslaves
same as before, can be used with 2HW

Expert Hit: 7.5 skavenslaves
trade in all attacks for 1 with HKB

Dreadknight: 5 skavenslaves
+2 WS, must issue challenges if no superoir fighter present

Creatures of the night: 5 skavenslaves
increase bats, batswarms & wolves beyond starting size

Forbidden Knowledge: 12.5 skavenslaves
access to rulebook lores (doesn't get to know all spells)

items:
Blade of deathly pain: 37.5 skavenslaves
frenzy, something else, flaming attacks
deathly shriek (similar to banshee?)
If you don't cause a wound in combat, wearer is killed instantly

Leichentuch: 20 skavenslaves
+1 AS, all models in basecontact get no bonuses to their strength & ASL

Banner of the Barrows: 25skavenslaves
Same as

Screaming Banner: 12.5 skavenslaves
Same as

Black Periapt: 27.5 skavenslaves
Stores 2 dice

Staff of Flaming Death: 20 skavenslaves
bound 3+, similar to flame cage

Book of Arkhan: 12.5 skavenslaves
bound 3+, doesn't burn out, same as

Cursed Book: 17.5 skavenslaves
sacrifice D3 power dice to get off a random spell of six (miasma, withering, some others) as a bound with the minimal complexity

Staff of Damnation: ¿?
bound 4+, all models in 6 inches get +1 attack


Thus far, I'm loving these rumors!

Blade of deathly pain sounds terrible, I'll most likely kill myself more often than I do the enemy :/

LazzurusMan wrote:Blade of deathly pain sounds terrible, I'll most likely kill myself more often than I do the enemy :/

If we keep seperate powers vs magic items alotment, then that sword could honestly be alot of fun. It's not the type of weapon you send into the enemy's hard-as-nails deathstar, rather you combo it with say the ASF power and send the guy into those T3/4 lightly armoured units like swordmasters or greatswords and start slicing & dicing whole ranks. Plus, it's heavily rumored we get basic equipment options in the list entries instead of being forced into over-costed powers now, so it should still be possible to run the sword bearer with a 2+ save. You won't have a ward save, or just a super basic one, but if you line up against S3/4 units, your armour should suffice.
It would also likely combo well in a small bodyguard unit like black knights who can be fully effective even when running only a 3 or 4 model wide frontage to negate incoming attacks.

Or else I might be tempted to try it with a Lord on foot w/'uber killy sword of death & pain, dragonhelm, seed of rebirth. Back him up with a mortis engine for a 5+ regen/2++ vs flaming attacks. Only KB is a real scare factor and this guy could really be at home in say a unit of ghouls or even skeletons ranked deep with a wraith and/or banshee thrown in as well!

It's risky for sure, but I wouldn't write it off as utterly useless just yet! (well, it *will* be totally pants if power/items get rolled into just a single 100pts cap obviously .)

Wait, no beguile? No courtly power at all? Argh!
I was believing GW include like, about one power for each bloodline, but I see no Lahmia-related ones. Only lots of Blood Knightly stuff.
Such a fool, I am, trusting GW...

Edit: Unless... We have heard of this Ghoul King with Poison and Hatred. Maybe, just maybe there will be some equivalent...

14th January releases and US prices provided by a birdy :

New:

Warhammer: Vampire Counts 96pp Full Colour Army Book ($41.25)
WBM: Vampire Counts 7 Large Format Spell Cards ($4.95)
Vampire Counts Coven Throne / Mortis Engine Plastic Box ($57.75)
Vampire Counts Black Knights / Hexwraiths 5 Fig PlasticBox ($29.75)
Vampire Counts Vargheists / Crypt Horrors 3 Fig Plastic Box ($47.00)
Vampire Counts Wight King 1 Plastic Fig Clampack ($13.25)
Isabella Von Carstein 1 Finecast Fig Clampack ($15.25)
Krell, Lord of Undeath 1 Finecast Fig Clampack ($18.25)
Winged Vampire Lord 1 Finecast Fig Clampack ($22.25)
Von Carstein Upgrade Pack 13 Piece Finecast Clamback ($19.75)

Finecast Recasts:

Coffin Lid Shields 8 Piece Pack ($13.25)
Heinrich Kemmler 1 Fig Clampack ($15.25)
Mannfred The Acolyte 1 Fig Clampack ($18.25)
Mounted Vampire Lord 1 Fig Clampack ($25.50)
Vampire Counts Bat Swarm 2 Base Clampack ($24.75)
Vampire Counts Black Coach 1 Fig Box ($53.75)
Vampire Counts Fell Bats 3 Fig Box ($49.50)
Vampire Counts Mounted Wight King 1 Fig Clampack ($25.50)
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Skull 1 Fig Clampack ($15.25)
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Staff 1 Fig Clampack ($15.25)
Vampire Counts Necromancer with Sword 1 Fig Clampack ($15.25)
Vampire Counts Spirit Host 1 Base Clampack ($18.25)
Vampire Lord on Abyssal Terror 1 Fig Box ($49.50)
Wight King Battle Standard Bearer 1 Fig Clampack ($18.25)


Repackaged Batallion (20 skeletons, 20 ghouls, 10 Dire Woves, 1 corpse cart, $115.00) on 18th February

Kroothawk wrote:

Warhammer: Vampire Counts 96pp Full Colour Army Book ($41.25)

Eventually these will be 50 dollars a piece!

a shame. No plastic vampire.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Spoiler:

Just saw this over on Warseer from anthoriam who found this info on a spanish website;

From a spanish website:

Dark Akolyth: 12.5 skavenslaves
+D3 for Nehek

Quick Blood: 15 skavenslaves
ASF

Curse of Widerganger: 27.5 skavenslaves
+1 W

Red Fury: 25 skavenslaves
same as before, can be used with 2HW

Expert Hit: 7.5 skavenslaves
trade in all attacks for 1 with HKB

Dreadknight: 5 skavenslaves
+2 WS, must issue challenges if no superoir fighter present

Creatures of the night: 5 skavenslaves
increase bats, batswarms & wolves beyond starting size

Forbidden Knowledge: 12.5 skavenslaves
access to rulebook lores (doesn't get to know all spells)

items:
Blade of deathly pain: 37.5 skavenslaves
frenzy, something else, flaming attacks
deathly shriek (similar to banshee?)
If you don't cause a wound in combat, wearer is killed instantly

Leichentuch: 20 skavenslaves
+1 AS, all models in basecontact get no bonuses to their strength & ASL

Banner of the Barrows: 25skavenslaves
Same as

Screaming Banner: 12.5 skavenslaves
Same as

Black Periapt: 27.5 skavenslaves
Stores 2 dice

Staff of Flaming Death: 20 skavenslaves
bound 3+, similar to flame cage

Book of Arkhan: 12.5 skavenslaves
bound 3+, doesn't burn out, same as

Cursed Book: 17.5 skavenslaves
sacrifice D3 power dice to get off a random spell of six (miasma, withering, some others) as a bound with the minimal complexity

Staff of Damnation: ¿?
bound 4+, all models in 6 inches get +1 attack


Thus far, I'm loving these rumors!

Just so you guys are aware, this list is not complete. White Dwarf already mentions vampiric powers not listed here, such as Master of the Black Arts, which grants the ability to reroll 1 power dice each magic phase.

Worglock wrote:

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm just waiting for the tide of 'Vampire Counts are too powerful threads,' which will no doubt crop up on Jan 15th

You mean people stopped posting "VC are overpowered"?

Locally, they're still crying about them. now they're crying more.

Super Irony Overload: It's been High Elf players. you know, the guys that get always strike first with a reroll to hit against everyone.

Im not sure if you played the most recent edition yet but....

the Step Up rule pretty much made ASF less of a deal.

MI sure are rising in price

Or is it because of the dual purpose/wings?

$41? Forty F$%&#^$ One Dollars?

I'll take "Things I'm selling on Ebay" for $200, Alex.

Do we still have the undead dragon?

Tomb King wrote:Do we still have the undead dragon?

Since a plastic zombie dragon kit was only just released a couple of months ago, I doubt they'd want to cut it!

But yes, it's used in the Blood Dragon sample list.

-Loki- wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Do we still have the undead dragon?

Since a plastic zombie dragon kit was only just released a couple of months ago, I doubt they'd want to cut it!

But yes, it's used in the Blood Dragon sample list.

Hopefully its playable now. Before you had to take it on your lord only and he drew a lot of fire because he dies you die.

It's still a lord only choice, so it's still making your army vulnerable to mass crumble.

But, there's also a small tidbit in White Dwarf about the army 'crumbling until another skilled practioner of Necromancy can take over', so you might be able to transfer generalship to another vampire or Necromancer, making combat lords a bit more viable.

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, Hexwraiths are Special. 5 with a Hellwraith (Champion) are 160, so if you assume 10 points for the Hellwraith, you're looking at 30 per Hexwraith. They're not cheap.

They look cheap to me.

marielle wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, Hexwraiths are Special. 5 with a Hellwraith (Champion) are 160, so if you assume 10 points for the Hellwraith, you're looking at 30 per Hexwraith. They're not cheap.

They look cheap to me.

Speaking of cheap at least blood knights are only $99 now.

-Loki- wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Spoiler:

Just saw this over on Warseer from anthoriam who found this info on a spanish website;

From a spanish website:

Dark Akolyth: 12.5 skavenslaves
+D3 for Nehek

Quick Blood: 15 skavenslaves
ASF

Curse of Widerganger: 27.5 skavenslaves
+1 W

Red Fury: 25 skavenslaves
same as before, can be used with 2HW

Expert Hit: 7.5 skavenslaves
trade in all attacks for 1 with HKB

Dreadknight: 5 skavenslaves
+2 WS, must issue challenges if no superoir fighter present

Creatures of the night: 5 skavenslaves
increase bats, batswarms & wolves beyond starting size

Forbidden Knowledge: 12.5 skavenslaves
access to rulebook lores (doesn't get to know all spells)

items:
Blade of deathly pain: 37.5 skavenslaves
frenzy, something else, flaming attacks
deathly shriek (similar to banshee?)
If you don't cause a wound in combat, wearer is killed instantly

Leichentuch: 20 skavenslaves
+1 AS, all models in basecontact get no bonuses to their strength & ASL

Banner of the Barrows: 25skavenslaves
Same as

Screaming Banner: 12.5 skavenslaves
Same as

Black Periapt: 27.5 skavenslaves
Stores 2 dice

Staff of Flaming Death: 20 skavenslaves
bound 3+, similar to flame cage

Book of Arkhan: 12.5 skavenslaves
bound 3+, doesn't burn out, same as

Cursed Book: 17.5 skavenslaves
sacrifice D3 power dice to get off a random spell of six (miasma, withering, some others) as a bound with the minimal complexity

Staff of Damnation: ¿?
bound 4+, all models in 6 inches get +1 attack


Thus far, I'm loving these rumors!

Just so you guys are aware, this list is not complete. White Dwarf already mentions vampiric powers not listed here, such as Master of the Black Arts, which grants the ability to reroll 1 power dice each magic phase.

Oh, thank you, thank you!

Also, I consider Hexwraiths to be fairly cheap at 30 points, considering the current Wraiths aren't mounted and counting in at 50 points.
Sure, a lot of things have changed since they were released, but I'd say it easily could have been worse.