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Lockark wrote:Edit: Made me just start woundering. I wounder if thier is any new fluff mentioning the Sartosan vampires/pirate vampires in the new book?

Probably a textbox, like the ones that mentioned the Strigoi and Barrow Kings in 7th ed.

The Sartosan vampire is certainly among the finest they've made.



And with some smart 'counts-as', nothing to stop someone making a very cool coastal/pirate vampire army.

:bangs head against desk: Why would they raise the cost of ghouls? They were already pants to begin with. Now they're more expensive and potentially can't be rezzed? Wow GW, you guys just can't get anything right...

I doubt they will be un-rezzable, would be a bit silly to go and make them not undead.

Once again - the bit where I mentioned Ghouls might not be able to be reinforced was inferred from how they avoided mentioning they can be, whereas other troops they mentioned them able to be reinforced.

I might be totally wrong and just reading too much into what they didn't say.

Oof. I've only played 40K, but lately these WHFB models have really blown me away.

Any idea if a new finecast of Vlad himself will be released in this first wave? Hope he's epic (not a fan of his current model)!

Nagashek wrote::bangs head against desk: Why would they raise the cost of ghouls? They were already pants to begin with. Now they're more expensive and potentially can't be rezzed? Wow GW, you guys just can't get anything right...

So it's not like pretty much every competitive VC list relied on Ghouls as the best cost to ratio troops available? Considering the cost of Zombies and Skellies is apparently going down, I say good riddance to Ghoul spam.

Sartosan is the best mini ever? Uhh.... NO. Definitely not. Just because all of the other Vampires are even MORE terrible does not make that one decent.

I am sorry, I cant help but want to smash my head through a wall right now, I just now found thi post I had been slowly building up some funds to start a vampire counts army bought a battle force, a varghulf, and my wife got me some models for christmas. Now I discover that they are coming out with a new book and new stuff..almost the same exact same thing happened when i stared my necron army this past July it seems like every time i spend money on an army GW wants to updat it...WHY ME!?!?!?!?!? Hopefully I can use everything I have.....Allthough my birthday is January 14'th , so if everything is coming out i just tell everyone to send me GW giftcards so i can get what i want....unfortunately with a new book i dont know what i want.

Scottywan82 wrote:Sartosan is the best mini ever? Uhh.... NO. Definitely not. Just because all of the other Vampires are even MORE terrible does not make that one decent.

It's far from a terrible model. I said it was among the best of the vampire models, they've certainly made better models but I can't think of a vampire they did that I like better, other than the bald vampire lord on horseback from back in the day.

GW is so cute. The email newsletter, released today, says:

Independent events and new stores

DEAD GOOD - With the 'Time of Chaos' upon the Old Worlde, the dead are restless. The cacophony of battle and fury of the bloodletting are causing the deceased to stir. See January's White Dwarf #384 for more information. Participating independent retailers only. Call for details.

Next to it, a picture of a vampire!

BlackRaven1987!! wrote:I am sorry, I cant help but want to smash my head through a wall right now, I just now found thi post I had been slowly building up some funds to start a vampire counts army bought a battle force, a varghulf, and my wife got me some models for christmas. Now I discover that they are coming out with a new book and new stuff..almost the same exact same thing happened when i stared my necron army this past July it seems like every time i spend money on an army GW wants to updat it...WHY ME!?!?!?!?!? Hopefully I can use everything I have.....Allthough my birthday is January 14'th , so if everything is coming out i just tell everyone to send me GW giftcards so i can get what i want....unfortunately with a new book i dont know what i want.

Don't worry. Nothing has been dropped from the existing range, they're just added to it. Unless you bought some of the old metal Black Knights, which got a plastic kit. Even the Vargulf - I too was initially worried they were replacing the Vargulf with Vargeists, but Vargeists are Special and Vargulfs still in the book as Rare.

I honestly think that the Varhulf is the one i am least worried about since they just released a finecast version of the model, it deffinetly wouldnt make any sense to release a finecast varhulf not to long ago and then pull it completely....I am wondering with all these new peaseties if it is going to be possible to run an all big beastie army with these new rules....almost sounds scary all vampires and big monsters running around.....wish they would give us an undead giant or something....or werewolves(I know it cleche, but come on you really cant have vampires without werewolves.)


Hey doese anyone know anything about the corpse cart are they keeping it?? I havent heard any news about it. I hope they keep it I really like it and think it wroks pretty well in the army.

I doubt they will remove anything that was redone in the last book as they will still want to make money on those investments.

TheSovereign wrote:
Any idea if a new finecast of Vlad himself will be released in this first wave? Hope he's epic (not a fan of his current model)!

No, he just got re-finecasted in September. So probably not.

TheSovereign wrote:Any idea if a new finecast of Vlad himself will be released in this first wave? Hope he's epic (not a fan of his current model)!

He, and the other Carsteins, were only just done for 7th edition. They won't get new models for a long time.

Honestly, I think Vlads model is pretty badass. Dropping the opera clothes and giving them actual armour and weapons makes them look more at home on a battlefield. And man, his and Mannfreds swords are the best swords GW have done. They actually look like two handed swords that can cleave through things.

Will Vlad actually wear armour now? He didn't have any in his unit entry...

does anyone know more on the varghiests

BlackRaven1987!! wrote:I honestly think that the Varhulf is the one i am least worried about since they just released a finecast version of the model, it deffinetly wouldnt make any sense to release a finecast varhulf not to long ago and then pull it completely....I am wondering with all these new peaseties if it is going to be possible to run an all big beastie army with these new rules....almost sounds scary all vampires and big monsters running around.....wish they would give us an undead giant or something....or werewolves(I know it cleche, but come on you really cant have vampires without werewolves.)


Hey doese anyone know anything about the corpse cart are they keeping it?? I havent heard any news about it. I hope they keep it I really like it and think it wroks pretty well in the army.

Corpse Cart is rumored to be moving to a Special Unit choice and it's getting better by all acounts too!

Experiment 626 wrote:

BlackRaven1987!! wrote:I honestly think that the Varhulf is the one i am least worried about since they just released a finecast version of the model, it deffinetly wouldnt make any sense to release a finecast varhulf not to long ago and then pull it completely....I am wondering with all these new peaseties if it is going to be possible to run an all big beastie army with these new rules....almost sounds scary all vampires and big monsters running around.....wish they would give us an undead giant or something....or werewolves(I know it cleche, but come on you really cant have vampires without werewolves.)


Hey doese anyone know anything about the corpse cart are they keeping it?? I havent heard any news about it. I hope they keep it I really like it and think it wroks pretty well in the army.

Corpse Cart is rumored to be moving to a Special Unit choice and it's getting better by all acounts too!

Better!?!?!?that is awesome I allready thought it was a great unit for the army, a little disapointing that it is been moved to special, but i guess if we are able to use dire wolves to count towards our core requirement I can deal with it.

all ive heard is that the the corpse cart is special not sure on what the rules for it now are

decoy101 wrote:all ive heard is that the the corpse cart is special not sure on what the rules for it now are

The rumor is that anytime a corpse cart is targeted (re: within range) of invocation, it then auto grants ASF to nearby units! I'd say that's a huge improvement over actually needing to spend a seperate PD to attempt to cast the bound spell!

I don't know if anybody has commented on this yet, but in the artwork for the Coven throne it looks like a fancy, over-the-top transport for a ginormous Reese's Peanut-butter Cup. I got a laugh out of it at least...

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm just waiting for the tide of 'Vampire Counts are too powerful threads,' which will no doubt crop up on Jan 15th

You mean people stopped posting "VC are overpowered"?

Locally, they're still crying about them. now they're crying more.

Super Irony Overload: It's been High Elf players. you know, the guys that get always strike first with a reroll to hit against everyone.

decoy101 wrote:all ive heard is that the the corpse cart is special not sure on what the rules for it now are

Close. If it is the target of a spell from the Lore of the Vampires (which includes being in the AoE of Invocation of Nehek), all units within 6" get ASF until your next magic phase.

It should be noted that it has this rule currently, though slightly differently. Currently, it's a bound spell, so it eats an additional power dice to activate. They've just changed it to be a passively triggered spell by being affected by another spell.

Yeah, it has gone to Special.

No, no one yet knows any more of its rules.

Worglock wrote:

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm just waiting for the tide of 'Vampire Counts are too powerful threads,' which will no doubt crop up on Jan 15th

You mean people stopped posting "VC are overpowered"?

Locally, they're still crying about them. now they're crying more.

Super Irony Overload: It's been High Elf players. you know, the guys that get always strike first with a reroll to hit against everyone.

People will always decry VC's as broken & OP because we can not only bring back our (un)dead, but grow new units of the game's worst troops & then further re-inforce those units as well!

And as bas as HE players complaing about us being OP are, it's a helluva lot worse when the most vocal complaining is coming from;
a) The DE player who runs double hydra, unkillable pendant lord + Lv4 shadow sorceress.
b) The Skaven player who runs double abombs + MSU slave traps in a skyre SAD list.
c) The WoC player who runs the tzeentch chosenstar + 2x khorne great weapon marauder hordes.

HE's are honestly pretty balanced outside of Teclis and a few magic items I find. Those other 3 are horrible match-ups even when we're running our own filth list!

High Elves are a pretty mediocre army (if that) Ive never understood why people complain about them striking first with rerolls.. who cares, they die so easily on return attacks and then cant beat steadfast. Without teclis its a joke

Kirasu wrote:High Elves are a pretty mediocre army (if that) Ive never understood why people complain about them striking first with rerolls.. who cares, they die so easily on return attacks and then cant beat steadfast. Without teclis its a joke

Its Warhammer, anyone could and would complain about almost anything

kenshin620 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:High Elves are a pretty mediocre army (if that) Ive never understood why people complain about them striking first with rerolls.. who cares, they die so easily on return attacks and then cant beat steadfast. Without teclis its a joke

Its Warhammer, anyone could and would complain about almost anything

I completely everyone is going to have something to complain about because all the armies are different. That is the point every army has it's streangths and weaknesses if every army was soo awsome and able to do everything there would be no srtategy. Without strategy it would be no fun it would just be rushing your guys across the table and hitting your opponet and just rolling dice no fun at all, but with certain armies good at certain things and terrible at others, haveing really cool rules and really crapy rules at the same time makes it fun and a challenge every time. Sorry about the rant but I hate hearing about overpowered armies.

Soo vampire counts out in 14 days on my birthday super excited i bet nobody can gues what i want for my birthday

Hey doese anyone know if the Cairn Wraiths and Tomb Banshee are going to be able to be taken as special and/or hero choices?

That coven model is downright sexy. Probably the most impressive model I've ever seen.