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I hope they don't mess up the black coach. Also wish we weren't losing the regen banner but knew it was coming. Hopefully they move the blood knights to specials, I own so many and can't hardly field them. Liking everything I've read and seen so far, really want the coven throne. They mentioned a vamp lord on abyssal terror? I guess another new model. Less then 2 weeks now so counting down.

marielle wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, Hexwraiths are Special. 5 with a Hellwraith (Champion) are 160, so if you assume 10 points for the Hellwraith, you're looking at 30 per Hexwraith. They're not cheap.

They look cheap to me.

Keep in mind that;
a) the current wraith unit is almost certainly dissappearing from the book as wraiths/banshees are now hero options.
b) hexwraiths are rumored to be only 1 wound each and likely 2 attacks, so that's a fair decrease in terms of killing power compared to the current unit of hero-statlines floating about!
c) rumored that only the general grants a marching bubble, so the hexwraiths will get 1 turn of super fast movement and then be likely about the speed of marching infantry.

They'll be annoying for sure, but they're not 'uber killy to most ranked units and 1 bad round of rolling in combat will likely have them popping from unstable wounds.

AzureDeath wrote:I hope they don't mess up the black coach. Also wish we weren't losing the regen banner but knew it was coming.

We still don't have the full item list. The spanish list was missing things. So we don't know yet.

AzureDeath wrote:Hopefully they move the blood knights to specials, I own so many and can't hardly field them.

Nope, still Rare.

AzureDeath wrote:Liking everything I've read and seen so far, really want the coven throne. They mentioned a vamp lord on abyssal terror? I guess another new model.

There is no vampire mounted on Abyssal Terror in white dwarf, so it's going to be an old model redone in finecast. Also note it was under Finecast Recasts.

They likely mean this monstrosity.




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Experiment 626 wrote:c) rumored that only the general grants a marching bubble, so the hexwraiths will get 1 turn of super fast movement and then be likely about the speed of marching infantry.

Not rumoured. Confirmed in white dwarf.

-Loki- wrote:They likely mean this monstrosity.

I wish they still sold Melkhior's old winged nightmare. I loved that model and regret not buying it.

The Hexwraiths cost a bit more than a regular human knight, but will rely on Ethereal for armor so if a wizard even gives them a stern glance they'll fold like origami. I think 30 points is a fair price... not really cheap but not too expensive.

Cirronimbus wrote:The Hexwraiths cost a bit more than a regular human knight, but will rely on Ethereal for armor so if a wizard even gives them a stern glance they'll fold like origami. I think 30 points is a fair price... not really cheap but not too expensive.

Not being able to march after the first turn is going to be enough of a nerf since fast cav are ment to revolve around their speedy movement!

I plan to try out a unit for war machine & missile troop hunting, as these guys will likely be alot better at it than say, a 'frenzied' Ld-poop vargulf or Ld-who-knows varghiests.

Etherals cant join squads still so I never take wraiths and banshee's. Im gonna miss spawning spirit host bases with wind of undeath. :(

Tomb King wrote:Etherals cant join squads still so I never take wraiths and banshee's. Im gonna miss spawning spirit host bases with wind of undeath. :(

Err, yeah, ethereal hereos can join units - just look at the people who want to run skeleton units with 5 Wraiths as the front rank. Though I think it's the other way around - a non-ethereal hero can't join an ethereal unit.

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Counts Black Knights / Hexwraiths 5 Fig PlasticBox ($29.75)

Surprisingly reasonable!

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Counts Vargheists / Crypt Horrors 3 Fig Plastic Box ($47.00)

Man...

I was pretty surprised by the Black Knight kit. It's the same level as other 5 model boxes of plastic cavalry, but being a dual kit, I assumed GW to price it a band or two higher.

I guess they want to sell a lot of them?

-Loki- wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Etherals cant join squads still so I never take wraiths and banshee's. Im gonna miss spawning spirit host bases with wind of undeath. :(

Err, yeah, ethereal hereos can join units - just look at the people who want to run skeleton units with 5 Wraiths as the front rank. Though I think it's the other way around - a non-ethereal hero can't join an ethereal unit.

Wow, im an idiot. Could of been running them all this time

Im horrible in warhammer, i haven't won a single game @_@

-Loki- wrote:I was pretty surprised by the Black Knight kit. It's the same level as other 5 model boxes of plastic cavalry, but being a dual kit, I assumed GW to price it a band or two higher.

I guess they want to sell a lot of them?

Not just that, they probably know they're competing with a certain company's offerings as well.

The Crypt Horror/Vargheist(Crypt Horrors only for me though) kit is priced a bit high, but I'm waiting to see how many can be fielded/what role they'd likely play in my force to make a decision on whether or not to buy any.

Kroothawk wrote:Repackaged Batallion (20 skeletons, 20 ghouls, 10 Dire Woves, 1 corpse cart, $115.00) on 18th February

Just saw that. That's actually something I want. If I grab 2, that brings me to 70 Skeletons, 50 Ghouls, 20 Dire Wolves and 3 Corpse Carts.

That's 30 skeletons short of my 2 hordes of 50, but gives me the amount of Ghouls I want, 2 good blocks of Dire Wolves, and some more Corpse Carts, one of which I can convert to be a Necromancer mount.

Methinks I'm going to save and grab these from Dicebucket.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Surprised about the Dire Wolves though.

Why? its good box fillers for models no one uses anyways

RiTides wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Counts Black Knights / Hexwraiths 5 Fig PlasticBox ($29.75)

Surprisingly reasonable!

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Counts Vargheists / Crypt Horrors 3 Fig Plastic Box ($47.00)

Man...

That's not bad, man. Same cost as killa kans, necron wraiths and spyders, etc.

That doesn't make not expensive.

killa kans are $44.5 usd, and are larger, and have tons of weapons.

If that release does turn out to be $47, be prepared. Thats GW testing water to raise the $44.50 items to $47 ( Minotaur, troll, killa kan, alike )

Experiment 626 wrote:

marielle wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, Hexwraiths are Special. 5 with a Hellwraith (Champion) are 160, so if you assume 10 points for the Hellwraith, you're looking at 30 per Hexwraith. They're not cheap.

They look cheap to me.

Keep in mind that;
a) the current wraith unit is almost certainly dissappearing from the book as wraiths/banshees are now hero options.
b) hexwraiths are rumored to be only 1 wound each and likely 2 attacks, so that's a fair decrease in terms of killing power compared to the current unit of hero-statlines floating about!
c) rumored that only the general grants a marching bubble, so the hexwraiths will get 1 turn of super fast movement and then be likely about the speed of marching infantry.

They'll be annoying for sure, but they're not 'uber killy to most ranked units and 1 bad round of rolling in combat will likely have them popping from unstable wounds.

What has any of this got to do with the price?

Honestly VC players!

LunaHound wrote:If that release does turn out to be $47, be prepared. Thats GW testing water to raise the $44.50 items to $47 ( Minotaur, troll, killa kan, alike )

Gold...ghiests?

Doesn't have the same ring to it as Gold Swords...

LunaHound wrote:killa kans are $44.5 usd, and are larger, and have tons of weapons.

If that release does turn out to be $47, be prepared. Thats GW testing water to raise the $44.50 items to $47 ( Minotaur, troll, killa kan, alike )

Well, I would think this is more expensive because it's a Dual Kit, compared to the others you've listed.

Very nice, it will be interesting to see how this army is played once the book is released

Dok

Something I thought worth mentioning - the Coven Throne is a hero or lord level mount, according to white dwarf.

"The Coven Throne is a large army centrepeice model and forms an extravagant mount for your Vampire or Vampire Lord."

Vampires are hero level charcters.

That's cool. I wish they'd go back and make all heros be able to take the big monster mounts as you'd actually see them used for once

Kirasu wrote:That's cool. I wish they'd go back and make all heros be able to take the big monster mounts as you'd actually see them used for once

At least give the thralls the ability to take an abyss(m)al terror. I think the dragon though should stay as a 'lord only' option though because they're supposed to be damn rare and it takes a helluva lot to re-animate a dragon's corpse and then control it!

Experiment 626 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:That's cool. I wish they'd go back and make all heros be able to take the big monster mounts as you'd actually see them used for once

At least give the thralls the ability to take an abyss(m)al terror. I think the dragon though should stay as a 'lord only' option though because they're supposed to be damn rare and it takes a helluva lot to re-animate a dragon's corpse and then control it!

Except no-one has to reanimate a Zombie Dragon. Apparently there are lots of Zombie Dragons running around on the Plain of Bones (East of World's Edge Mountains).
Apparently Vampires go there to hunt for Zombie Dragons.
I never really understood the point of that piece of fluff, but oh well

I don't know what army book you're reading, but it explains it pretty clearly.

The Plain of Bones was an ancestral "death ground" for Dragons. They flew there when they knew their deaths were upon them. After the Winds of Chaos began stirring, the land has become soaked in Dark Magic---causing the dead to stir once more.

It's the same reason Sylvania had tons of Undead even before Vlad came into power.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know what army book you're reading, but it explains it pretty clearly.

The Plain of Bones was an ancestral "death ground" for Dragons. They flew there when they knew their deaths were upon them. After the Winds of Chaos began stirring, the land has become soaked in Dark Magic---causing the dead to stir once more.

It's the same reason Sylvania had tons of Undead even before Vlad came into power.

I know, I know... It's just that they make it seem like the place is teeming with Zombie Dragons - Which it probably is, considering every dying dragon went there to die.
To me, it kind of lessens the awesomeness of having your own Zombie Dragon - All you have to do is go to the Plain of Bones and fetch one!
What I meant by not understanding that point of fluff is why they needed to have it like that, an area filled with undead Dragons. Why not just... Make them rare and widespread? That way they would seem, you know, rare and of legendary status... Not packed into some Undead zoo, if you understand what I mean.

You've missed the other point that is implied in the fluff then I think.

Only Vampires can make it to the Plain of Bones. Even then, not every single one of them has the strength to bind a Zombie Dragon to their will. Most likely are put down by the Zombie Dragons during the attempt to bind one to their will.