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2015/12/10 02:17:24
Subject: Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
jasper76 wrote: Wasn't it George HW Bush who said that atheists should not be considered Americans, because it's "One Nation Under God"?
For real, I have many little stories to tell about religious folk who do a 180 on you when they find out you're not so much into their worldview. What's crazy is that it comes not only from conservatives, but far-left liberals as well.
The same happens with Atheists too to be fair. Many of them will bite your head off for disagreeing with them.
And some religious folks will shoot you for disagreeing with them. Wanna keep going with the whataboutisms?
The point being that it isn't a one way street when it comes to people getting jumped on.
Sure, but given the context of the conversation it is a little disingenuous to make the comparison as if both groups are equally affected.
One group routinely uses violence to coerce dissenters to "believe" as they do, the other group not nearly as much.
Also one group consists of the vast majority of people on this planet, while the other group is a much, much smaller minority which makes Grey Templar's "yeah but" attempt even more obtuse.
So being a "minority" gives you the ability to be a donkey cave to the majority?
Your flag says USA I would think that was obvious.
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d-usa wrote: I just hope that someday we will find out what his actual target was...
You mean there is still doubt after previous conflicting reports have now been clarified, and a clear motive established? What else do you believe the actual target to be?
He's being fecesious, making fun of those who were going "We don't know this was anti-abortion terrorism!" and "maybe he attacked the PP by accident".
Your spellcheck or whatever broke.
facetious
2015/12/10 06:47:11
Subject: Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
Colorado Springs, Colorado (CNN)Robert Lewis Dear, accused of killing three people last month at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, made a series of outbursts at a hearing Wednesday, saying, "I am a warrior for the babies."
On a day on which prosecutors filed 179 felony charges against him, Dear, wearing an aqua jumpsuit and leg irons, made his thoughts known -- through nearly 20 outbursts during the proceeding.
"You'll never know what I saw in that clinic," Dear said. "Atrocities, that's what they want to seal." He also said, "I am guilty. There is no trial," and "Protect the babies."
At one point, a bailiff placed a hand on Dear's shoulder in an apparent attempt to quiet him.
When lawyers spoke about a listing of victims in the incident, Dear, his facial expression framed by a shock of hair, blurted out, "Could you add the babies that were to be aborted that day? Can you add that to the list?"
Dear made reference to his public defender, Daniel King, who also represented Colorado theater shooter James Holmes: "Do you know who this lawyer is? He is the lawyer for the Batman shooter -- when they drugged him all up and that's what they want to do to me."
While King told the court there were questions about his client's competence, Dear said, "You are not my lawyer."
After the tumultuous hearing, District Attorney Dan May said the litany of charges against Dear, 57, included eight options of first-degree murder, depending on the circumstances, and 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder. Nine people were wounded.
A preliminary hearing and arraignment are yet to be scheduled. May said a decision on whether to seek the death penalty would come within about two months after the arraignment...
Any indication he had help or was in network with others? Any indication he was radicalized by others? (to use the FBI term from the ISIL thread). I'm fine with investigating this in similar manner, although he looks pretty damn cuckoo, he might have been a weaponized cuckoo from someone else.
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2015/12/10 11:52:30
Subject: Re:Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
Colorado Springs, Colorado (CNN)Robert Lewis Dear, accused of killing three people last month at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, made a series of outbursts at a hearing Wednesday, saying, "I am a warrior for the babies."
On a day on which prosecutors filed 179 felony charges against him, Dear, wearing an aqua jumpsuit and leg irons, made his thoughts known -- through nearly 20 outbursts during the proceeding.
"You'll never know what I saw in that clinic," Dear said. "Atrocities, that's what they want to seal." He also said, "I am guilty. There is no trial," and "Protect the babies."
At one point, a bailiff placed a hand on Dear's shoulder in an apparent attempt to quiet him.
When lawyers spoke about a listing of victims in the incident, Dear, his facial expression framed by a shock of hair, blurted out, "Could you add the babies that were to be aborted that day? Can you add that to the list?"
Dear made reference to his public defender, Daniel King, who also represented Colorado theater shooter James Holmes: "Do you know who this lawyer is? He is the lawyer for the Batman shooter -- when they drugged him all up and that's what they want to do to me."
While King told the court there were questions about his client's competence, Dear said, "You are not my lawyer."
After the tumultuous hearing, District Attorney Dan May said the litany of charges against Dear, 57, included eight options of first-degree murder, depending on the circumstances, and 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder. Nine people were wounded.
A preliminary hearing and arraignment are yet to be scheduled. May said a decision on whether to seek the death penalty would come within about two months after the arraignment...
Any indication he had help or was in network with others? Any indication he was radicalized by others? (to use the FBI term from the ISIL thread). I'm fine with investigating this in similar manner, although he looks pretty damn cuckoo, he might have been a weaponized cuckoo from someone else.
So far seems to fit the 'lone wolf' definition.
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2015/12/10 12:46:40
Subject: Re:Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
Colorado Springs, Colorado (CNN)Robert Lewis Dear, accused of killing three people last month at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, made a series of outbursts at a hearing Wednesday, saying, "I am a warrior for the babies."
On a day on which prosecutors filed 179 felony charges against him, Dear, wearing an aqua jumpsuit and leg irons, made his thoughts known -- through nearly 20 outbursts during the proceeding.
"You'll never know what I saw in that clinic," Dear said. "Atrocities, that's what they want to seal." He also said, "I am guilty. There is no trial," and "Protect the babies."
At one point, a bailiff placed a hand on Dear's shoulder in an apparent attempt to quiet him.
When lawyers spoke about a listing of victims in the incident, Dear, his facial expression framed by a shock of hair, blurted out, "Could you add the babies that were to be aborted that day? Can you add that to the list?"
Dear made reference to his public defender, Daniel King, who also represented Colorado theater shooter James Holmes: "Do you know who this lawyer is? He is the lawyer for the Batman shooter -- when they drugged him all up and that's what they want to do to me."
While King told the court there were questions about his client's competence, Dear said, "You are not my lawyer."
After the tumultuous hearing, District Attorney Dan May said the litany of charges against Dear, 57, included eight options of first-degree murder, depending on the circumstances, and 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder. Nine people were wounded.
A preliminary hearing and arraignment are yet to be scheduled. May said a decision on whether to seek the death penalty would come within about two months after the arraignment...
Any indication he had help or was in network with others? Any indication he was radicalized by others? (to use the FBI term from the ISIL thread). I'm fine with investigating this in similar manner, although he looks pretty damn cuckoo, he might have been a weaponized cuckoo from someone else.
So far seems to fit the 'lone wolf' definition.
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2015/12/10 12:49:07
Subject: Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
It came out in the press that he'd made comments expressing approval of the Army of God, but I don't think any contact with members has ever been established. He was a conservative Christian and was Pro-Life. I dont know if anything has come out about whether he followed or was an active member of a particular church or pro-life group either in person or online.
2015/12/10 14:09:10
Subject: Re:Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
Colorado Springs, Colorado (CNN)Robert Lewis Dear, accused of killing three people last month at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, made a series of outbursts at a hearing Wednesday, saying, "I am a warrior for the babies."
On a day on which prosecutors filed 179 felony charges against him, Dear, wearing an aqua jumpsuit and leg irons, made his thoughts known -- through nearly 20 outbursts during the proceeding.
"You'll never know what I saw in that clinic," Dear said. "Atrocities, that's what they want to seal." He also said, "I am guilty. There is no trial," and "Protect the babies."
At one point, a bailiff placed a hand on Dear's shoulder in an apparent attempt to quiet him.
When lawyers spoke about a listing of victims in the incident, Dear, his facial expression framed by a shock of hair, blurted out, "Could you add the babies that were to be aborted that day? Can you add that to the list?"
Dear made reference to his public defender, Daniel King, who also represented Colorado theater shooter James Holmes: "Do you know who this lawyer is? He is the lawyer for the Batman shooter -- when they drugged him all up and that's what they want to do to me."
While King told the court there were questions about his client's competence, Dear said, "You are not my lawyer."
After the tumultuous hearing, District Attorney Dan May said the litany of charges against Dear, 57, included eight options of first-degree murder, depending on the circumstances, and 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder. Nine people were wounded.
A preliminary hearing and arraignment are yet to be scheduled. May said a decision on whether to seek the death penalty would come within about two months after the arraignment...
Any indication he had help or was in network with others? Any indication he was radicalized by others? (to use the FBI term from the ISIL thread). I'm fine with investigating this in similar manner, although he looks pretty damn cuckoo, he might have been a weaponized cuckoo from someone else.
So far seems to fit the 'lone wolf' definition.
Lone Wolf Cabin Fever Conspiracy believer Nutjob. To think someone was equating him to Terrorists
So far it seems like the same type of guy that killed that lady at work, or the one in England that murdered the woman in her garden. Some of the same ones here equating this guy as a Christian terrorist I believe said those two others were lone wolf nut jobs.
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2015/12/10 16:47:57
Subject: Re:Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs Shooting: 3 Dead
jasper76 wrote: Wasn't it George HW Bush who said that atheists should not be considered Americans, because it's "One Nation Under God"?
For real, I have many little stories to tell about religious folk who do a 180 on you when they find out you're not so much into their worldview. What's crazy is that it comes not only from conservatives, but far-left liberals as well.
The same happens with Atheists too to be fair. Many of them will bite your head off for disagreeing with them.
And some religious folks will shoot you for disagreeing with them. Wanna keep going with the whataboutisms?
The point being that it isn't a one way street when it comes to people getting jumped on.
Sure, but given the context of the conversation it is a little disingenuous to make the comparison as if both groups are equally affected.
One group routinely uses violence to coerce dissenters to "believe" as they do, the other group not nearly as much.
Also one group consists of the vast majority of people on this planet, while the other group is a much, much smaller minority which makes Grey Templar's "yeah but" attempt even more obtuse.
So being a "minority" gives you the ability to be a donkey cave to the majority?
If that is the take away you got from that exchange, then I can't help you. Although, based on your posting history of single line responses to nuanced discussions I am pretty sure your whole bit is to Troll for Jesus.
