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Now the group i have joined no one uses any flyers. Now are we missing out on playing skills bt never playing against flyers all of use in are group have not been playing very long so we play 750pt games to a max of1500. I really don't like flyers my self as i have seen in the trounys i played how hard the are to deal with and ig and crons flyer spam is just deadly.

Is it banned or does no one have any?

No onw has any and it seems like no one really wants any

i only got fliers because they are the best counters to other flyers (without going the forgeworld route). I envy a group that doesnt bother with flyers.

Aileros (sp?) stated earlier that firing a ground unit lascannon at an AV12 flier is like firing it at a AV14 landraider, you have about the same chance of doing damage to either one.

Hope that answers something.

I was thinking of getting 3ig flyers ones with all lc butt i thinking i be called tfg

Buy a Redoubt, its cheaper.

I guess my ? is do you really need. flyers now days to play 40k

No. I refuse to buy them. (Exceptions of Dakkjets... I just couldn't resist)

But you do need to find a way to deal with them. Whether its with a AGL or a FSR (<--- firestorm redoubt, I'm so creative )
or hydras or hordes of infantry squads with lascannons with a Bring it down order.

If you're going to play in tournaments outside of your group, you'll need a way to deal with them, as Comrade says.

Do you need to counter fliers with other fliers? No. Certainly not, but that is a very effective way to do it.

AGLs are OK, but against true flier spam, it's not enough fire power. It would help to know what army you played, I suppose.

I run ig and marines

You'll need to think of a way to deal with them. It only takes one guy in your group going "Flyer x looks awesome, I'mma buy it" to start it.

Every army I build I try to have some units that I would use for AA if needed.

I have a adl but useing it at some biger trounys i have found its not very good so i don't know what to use to face flyers because there's always going to be 3plus to deal with

What army do you play?

 Iur_tae_mont wrote:
What army do you play?

Zilla's a pretty notorious troll so I'd take any statements about his local meta with a pinch of salt.

I play ig and marines now really dont get y people call me a troll

zilka86 wrote:
I play ig and marines now really dont get y people call me a troll

Last time you said you had 2k points of no less than five armies. Want me to get the quote?

At the point level you play at, its a wonder any vehicles are used.

40k in general is not designed to be played below 1500. Its a very unbalanced game, with a heavy slant towards IG, Orks, and Nids. Simply because they can meet the minimum requirements faster and get more stuff.

Compare to Space marines. Who have to spend a minimum of 440 points to meet the minimum troop requirements, because they have to have max squads to get any special/heavy weapons. That gives them only a few points to spend on upgrades or other units to bring better firepower.

You're group isn't using flyers most likely because they can't.


As for missing out on the game. Yes, I'd say you are missing out on most of what the game has to offer.

I do am only stickin To only 2 Armies for now to see if i learn better how to play. Maybe i should no longer ask any ? Our for any help


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So what size games should we play 2k plus. i just don't like playing 4hr games that's why we play a max of 1500 pts

Well trolling or no, I respect any group that has a no flyer rule. As one of a small group of long-time players, when 6th came around we put in place a 1 flyer per army list house rule that's still in effect. When you're trying to maintain 8 armies among 3 people and one guy decides to up the flyer ante, it causes an expensive and annoying chain reaction as other armies try to catch up. Having a cap keeps things fair while still letting us play with the new toys.

 Grey Templar wrote:
At the point level you play at, its a wonder any vehicles are used.

40k in general is not designed to be played below 1500. Its a very unbalanced game, with a heavy slant towards IG, Orks, and Nids. Simply because they can meet the minimum requirements faster and get more stuff.

Compare to Space marines. Who have to spend a minimum of 440 points to meet the minimum troop requirements, because they have to have max squads to get any special/heavy weapons. That gives them only a few points to spend on upgrades or other units to bring better firepower.

You're group isn't using flyers most likely because they can't.


As for missing out on the game. Yes, I'd say you are missing out on most of what the game has to offer.

HQ
Company Command Squad
TROOPS
2x Veteran Squad
HEAVY SUPPORT
2x Leman Russ Battle Tank
490 points of pure goodness.

Where is your god now?

zilka86 wrote:
I do am only stickin To only 2 Armies for now to see if i learn better how to play. Maybe i should no longer ask any ? Our for any help


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So what size games should we play 2k plus. i just don't like playing 4hr games that's why we play a max of 1500 pts

1500-1850 is a good size range. 2k is a bigger game, but its a good point level.

And 2k should only take 2.5 hours at most. If it takes you 4 hours something is wrong.

We spend a lot time talking and playing slow so we get everthing right

Me and my buds talk and get everything right. We don't take 4 hours to play 2k.

zilka86 wrote:
We spend a lot time talking and playing slow so we get everthing right

I would say that you're group is still learning the ins and outs of the game. I can see why it takes 4 hours to play a game. Example

However, I find it good practice that you guys are taking your time and figuring out the rules as best you can.

Back on point, Heavy Weapons teams for your IG will help. An ADL with either the Quad Gun or the Lascannon would also help. Even one Vendetta would help without making you TFG.

For your space marines, I'm a HUGE fan of the Forge World Mortis Pattern Contemptor Dreadnought with Kheres Assault Cannons. If it doesn't move, it gains Skyfire and Interceptor on the following turn. Couple that with BS5, and two 6-shot assault cannons and you have a wonderful anti-air unit. Take 2 or 3!

probably a good idea. fliers are poorly implemented, and out of place.

Ok how does one make a vendatta i play minely against infy armies so how would q vendatta help me

Wait, wait. Is there a possibility that i would be callled TFG if i got my hands on some flyers?

I play Orks and i have seen the Dakkajets as The most cool figure we have and a fun addition to the army and board.

But ive just recently returned and havent played 6th edition yet so i dont really know the view on flyers.

 Warboss ZanZag wrote:
Wait, wait. Is there a possibility that i would be callled TFG if i got my hands on some flyers?

Not in my group, no. But there are odd groups out there.

However, three vendettas or 3 bale flamers is very tough for even experienced players to counter. And it's certainly not something I want to play against every game, in any case.

Flyers are fine. Rough for inexperienced players. I personally don't run any flyers and only warp spiders and wave serpents for AA (read: no dedicated AA, and nothing with skyfire even), and did fine, even versus the flying circus. People are overly scared of lots of flyers, but tbh they don't usually put out enough shots to make a dent in the infantry heavy armies these days. Yes helldrakes are bad news, but with tau being so prevelant in the meta these days, not as many people are bringing flyers.