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The Reaver and Warhound were added to an Armageddon campaign section, but at least are present.

It has been argued by a zampolit store manager that it was omitted because GW doesn't sell as Warlord titan.

However this is to argue that anyone who scratch builds a Warlord titan is not worth supporting as a hobbyist on the sole reason that GW didn't make a sale.
Hold on, if someone built a Warlord titan, and many have, isn't that a commitment to the hobby. Can't they even get a page in the fething book.
Isn't it time GW stopped pissing in the soup.

In all honesty it wouldn't have hurt to include it, but since it's not an Official Citadel Finecast Warlord Battle Titan it's obviously not worth their time, and it's a bit annoying that most of their datasheets are based around simple repetitions of their standard kits, with only a few exceptions such as the Tesseract Thingy actually being new Apocalypse-sized death machines. I'd just use the rules from the previous book if it came to that.

 Orlanth wrote:
It has been argued by a zampolit store manager that it was omitted because GW doesn't sell as Warlord titan.

Everything in the main Apoc book has a kit that GW sell.

Nearly certain the Warlord rules are covered in the original Apoc rulebook?
Apoc2 is supposed to be new and additional units/formations no?
Why duplicate?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Everything in the main Apoc book has a kit that GW sell.

Wait, no more funky weapons like giant brass cannons, phlegm belching baneblades, or whatever that crazy "mobile fortress/command hq" thing the guard drives around in with a cannon on the front the size of a leman russ? That's really sad! One of my favorite things to do in the first apoc book was to just thumb through random datasheets, find something that caught my eye, and think "wow, that model is incredibly overcosted/useless compared to (insert titan here), but I sure want to play it because it looks so fun!"

Huh? Does Apoc2 completely negate Apoc1s formations and units?!
Ye Gods if so.

If it hasn't been updated in a new book the old stuff is legal unless stated otherwise.

Except it's not. You can't field Commissar Gaunt because he wasn't updated in the new codex but was in the last one. Apocalypse replaces Apocalypse, so anything in the first one that was dropped for the new one is no longer an official rule.

That said, it's Apocalypse. Homebrewing stats is openly advised, so who cares if the old book is legal? Use it anyway.

just wait untill forgeworld comes out with there apoc book. The titans are made by forgeworld, not GW.

Just update the rules from the old book yourself.

The book openly refers to converting structure points to hull points so clearly all data-sheets are in....On my table if you have a warlord representation and want to use it then be my guest....

Secondly....Following the chapterhouse kicking if GW dont do models for it they are clearly worried about others doing something......seems logical but old datasheets are fine by me

The book does state that the game organizer makes the official call. The book openly references that the rules are more like guidelines and that points values don’t need to be used. In my opinion is use the old data sheets and apply new D weapon rules ect ect to make the model current.

 Orlanth wrote:
The Reaver and Warhound were added to an Armageddon campaign section, but at least are present.

It has been argued by a zampolit store manager that it was omitted because GW doesn't sell as Warlord titan.

However this is to argue that anyone who scratch builds a Warlord titan is not worth supporting as a hobbyist on the sole reason that GW didn't make a sale.
Hold on, if someone built a Warlord titan, and many have, isn't that a commitment to the hobby. Can't they even get a page in the fething book.
Isn't it time GW stopped pissing in the soup.

Why rant? If you hate GW so much, you don't need to play their games using their rules. It's your choice. Or as others have said homebrew rules(which was nice a nice jump for them to make, honestly, since there is no "how can I include it?" in your post), that is the choice of you and your group. You're homebrewing models, homebrew the damn rules too instead of ranting about it.

 troa wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
The Reaver and Warhound were added to an Armageddon campaign section, but at least are present.

It has been argued by a zampolit store manager that it was omitted because GW doesn't sell as Warlord titan.

However this is to argue that anyone who scratch builds a Warlord titan is not worth supporting as a hobbyist on the sole reason that GW didn't make a sale.
Hold on, if someone built a Warlord titan, and many have, isn't that a commitment to the hobby. Can't they even get a page in the fething book.
Isn't it time GW stopped pissing in the soup.

Why rant? If you hate GW so much, you don't need to play their games using their rules. It's your choice. Or as others have said homebrew rules(which was nice a nice jump for them to make, honestly, since there is no "how can I include it?" in your post), that is the choice of you and your group. You're homebrewing models, homebrew the damn rules too instead of ranting about it.

This is Dakka. Its not ranting, its exasperation.

Just because many many Dakka members dispair at GW policies doesn't mean we hate the game or want to give up playing. Why should I have to either shut up or stop playing just because GW management are making idiotic policy decisions again.
Also if I had made a Warlord titan, no small investment, I would be sick as parrot right now. You should check out the threads for them, several posters made one. To be stripped of chapter approved rules for them is a blow, and removes the models legitimacy. Tom make something so big and time consuming, let alone expensive only for it to be disavowed would be upsetting. I think GW realise this, but don't care enough to do anything about it, its another example of faceless corporatism at GW, and a lack of customer care, consideration or support. It would not hurt GW's profit margins to include the Warlord titan.stats and any company that wont consider doing anything unless there is a direct advantage to themselves, even if it would const them nothing to support, is a dick company unworthy of its fanbase..

There will be a second book for Apoc. Well the Menager at the local GW here said so. As some Baneblade types are missing (Like the Pleague Reaper), it'll have more formations and datasheets in it (Like the Pleague Reaper and the Skull Tower of Khorne as an example.). So that Warlord Titan might be in there. Or Forgeworld will release a book on the subject.

It was quite a bummer that some of those things are missing in this new book. As we had 2 Pleague Reapers on the field in our Apocalypse game on the release of the book.

Hopefully it'll include things they missed out, like the Sisters formations.

Galling, that - You'd have thought that we'd at least appear in the Armageddon campaign book, being as that was one of our largest deployments.

Also of mention are the missing Chaos Warhound, Chaos Reaver, Slaanesh Subjugator, and the Banelord. I found it interesting that Warlords aren't covered in the Legio Titanicus section in the back, yet Emperors were covered (despite no rules in the book).

Thankfully, we know the Warlord is a Reaver with 50% more hull points. 50% more void shields, and a second carapace weapon. The only weapon unique to the Warlord is it's arm mounted plasma cannon, which again is just 50% better with 12" more range. All for 2500 pts.

SJ

I'm fairly sure that the warlord and imperator titans were added as jokes given that their sheer killing power is way outta proportion to their costad their models would be ludicrously large, especially since they're bipedal models.

Didnt the CE come with the warzone that has the CSM data sheets, im certain iv seen taht somewhere, like at the back of the rule book there is the armageddon warzone, the chaos one will be mainstream released eventually, till them im missing the formation thats in it for FF, etc

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
There will be a second book for Apoc. Well the Menager at the local GW here said so.

If you're new, a little truth - store managers typically know less than message board members. GW tells them absoutely nothing. If a manager 'knows something', it's because he's read it somewhere like Dakka or Warseer. If you're not new, fool me once, fool me twice, etc.

To the OP, ever since the Chapterhouse lawsuit, GW have stopped releasing stats for anything they don't sell. If they want to release it later than the book, they will release it with a Supplement now. The Warlord not being on Apocalypse 6th is, as HBMC said, simply because they do not sell a model for it, just like why there's no Imperator rules.

If you want to use a Warlord, simply use the old datasheet and tweak it to work with Apocalypse 6th.