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So I have a good friend who convinced me to get in to 40k about 6 month ago and I've only now got the chance to play him. As we started to play it became painfully clear many rules he was going by were out dated. I started going through the rule book and showing him the rules but he would just grumble and continue doing something else. He can gets kinda competitive when we play, where I'm not a competitive player, but after the game he goes back to normal. So how do I go about trying to play him? Because I really want to play him and he's a great friend I just don't know what to do. Any help what so ever will be appreciated.

I feel like playing with more people who are into 6th would sway him. If there's a local game store or game group, try to get him ingrained with them. It's kind of a sink or swim thing.

If you wanted to be a little more subtle about it, bring up that a number of new codices have rules that don't make sense outside 6th edition, and that it's very difficult to play when you're ignoring some rules and not others.

You could link him some batreps that deal with the changes, Miniwargaming did some when 6th first came out that would be helpful. Or allow him to watch you and other people play a couple games.

It might be more effective than in game teaching. I know I've found that the most competitive people can be difficult to teach that way.

By separating the changes in the rules from direct competition you should have a more receptive pupil.

There are a lot of '6th edition reviews'.
They focus on a specific codex and explain the stuff that changed since 6th,
That way he doesn't have to reread the entire rulebook and they high-light the important things.

You could just tell him to play the game correctly or not at all.

Clearly he doesn't have the main rule book. Tell him to get one.

If he won't, don't play him anymore. Or just play 4th ed. with him.

If he wants to ignore rules or use older ones and won't relent...

Fight fire with fire and use whatever rules you feel like using.

I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

Makumba wrote:
I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

I hope he does, because the 4th ed Chaos book is about as bland as white bread with water for dippin',

Well you have 2 choices. Join him or not. So if you want to keep playing with him, then you will have to go by his rules. So what you will have to do, is ask him what are ALL the rules to play with.

Then stick with those rules he is using. Also do any of you own the rule book? Which edition rule book are you using? This could change my answer.

 Brother SRM wrote:

Makumba wrote:
I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

I hope he does, because the 4th ed Chaos book is about as bland as white bread with water for dippin',

Yeah, they added a bit of food dye with the 6th edition book, now the water is green!

Makumba wrote:
I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

Why do you hope he doesn't play chaos?

4th and 6th are worlds apare so he would kind of be at the same level you are given the new rules etc...

I second the suggestions of playing him at local game shops where people around him will correct him if they see "odd things" happening in the game. Peer pressure DOES have its place.

When a 6th edition rule that would help him comes up during play that he is unaware of point it out. Maybe you can lure him in with helpful new rules. Once he gets reliant on the stuff that helps him he can't get upset with the stuff that doesnt.

 Insane Smile wrote:

Makumba wrote:
I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

Why do you hope he doesn't play chaos?

Because the 4th ed codex can give options to play any legion and the 5th and 6th ed codex make you play black legion . I can imagine why someone who for example had a any non IW or BL list wouldn't want to play 6th ed .

There are many threads like this popping up in recent times. "my friend does (insert random quip) but I don't like it what do I do?".
Three ways about it.
1. Get them to change.
2. Don't get them to change, but keep playing.
3. Don't get them to change, but don't don't keep playing them.

My friend was into 5th edition when we started but.
Like what other people said.
Get him around other 6th edition players

And when you say 'kinda competitive' it means
"He gets agressive"

CloudRider wrote:
My friend was into 5th edition when we started but.
Like what other people said.
Get him around other 6th edition players

And when you say 'kinda competitive' it means
"He gets agressive"

That's pretty much spot on and he plays... Night Lords.


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So now can he not play his army?

Night Lords.
Well... Kurze was known for having a bad temper having no real family after all...

HAha he sounds a lot like my friend.
He plays Grey Knights.
If you throw even the slightest insult...
Well, we'll leave it with that.

I play Chaos myself by the way

 Insane Smile wrote:

CloudRider wrote:
My friend was into 5th edition when we started but.
Like what other people said.
Get him around other 6th edition players

And when you say 'kinda competitive' it means
"He gets agressive"

That's pretty much spot on and he plays... Night Lords.
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So now can he not play his army?

No one here can answer that last question because we don't know what he's trying to use, but chances are he can use his current army. He'll just have to change some stuff, most likely.

1. He needs to get the current 6th edition rule book. This book
2. He needs to get the current Chaos Space Marines codex. This Book.

You need to decide if you are willing to continue to put up with him being stuck in 4th edition. If he won't get and use the books I've listed, then you'll have a tough choice to make.

Best of luck.

 Insane Smile wrote:

Makumba wrote:
I hope your friend doesn't play chaos.

Why do you hope he doesn't play chaos?

Because he might be using the 3.5 codex, which was very broken from what I hear.

I actualy took a look at the codex to check if what people talking about is true . And to honest , aside for IW being able to field both 9 oblits and 4 hvy supports , nothing in the codex seems much better then what other armies had in 4th ed. undying falcons , multiple Mc tyranids with minimax genestealers that infiltrate , rending spaming marines most of the chaos stuff seems normal or even weak like 1ksons. It fully understand why your friend doesn't want to play the new codex. His options are either play a non NL chaos army which is good or an army that tries to be NL and is bad .

Codices change.

Its all part of a cycle. You play this game, you pretty much are stuck with it. If you don't like it, either find someone else to share your stagnation or deal with it.

6th edition is the best edition once you get used to it. And I've played since 4th. 4th edition was, for lack of a better work, "slowed" to say the least. the only nice part was my chapter traits in my vanilla codex.


And the Chaos Codex is actually pretty good. Its not the best, but its definitely solid. Heldrakes not withstanding.

His friends plays NL , what does the codex give him compering to the 4th ed one? Raptors are bad, talons are terribad , csm lost everything that could make give them a NL feel and bikers would be awesome , if helldrakes wouldn't exist. I don't play chaos , but I understand why a chaos player may want to play an old codex . But I agree with you that he can't use the old dex , sucks for him and that is why I said I hope he doesn't play chaos .

So run them as Night Lords counts-as whatever competitive build you want them to be.

Night Lords are an undivided legion. This gives you a lot of freedom in marks to choose.

But this will make him end with either a good army which is full of pms and helldrakes , which imo doesn't feel very NL . Or he will try to run csm , raptors and what ever can stand in for fear tactics , which will give him a bad army that doesn't have much of a NL feel either . Sucks to be him.

Really, being a NL is all about the look. Rarely does the fluff translate to the table top.

 Grey Templar wrote:
So run them as Night Lords counts-as whatever competitive build you want them to be.

Night Lords are an undivided legion. This gives you a lot of freedom in marks to choose.

Except marks aren't fluffy for Night Lords as they hate chaos almost as much as loyalists (if memory serves me).

Anyways, I can understand his preference towards the 3.5 codex. Personally, I disliked it as wonky, but there has never been a CSM codex with more diversity. Even then though, tell him you want to play 6th edition. Shoe him the book or bring him to game with 6th edition players. From there, if you are casual enough, just find a way to make some agreements. Troop jump, extra fear chances, night vision, etc. Even possible point distributions. If he sticks to 3.5 edition then he's already playing outside of normal 40k. The game's an unbalanced mess with terrible internal balance and a drastic obsession with randomness. The game is supposed to be fun. If one of the both isn't enjoying it then what is the point of it all?

alternativly, you could not use the chaos codex at all. use the BA codex for scoring raptors!

 StarTrotter wrote:


Except marks aren't fluffy for Night Lords as they hate chaos almost as much as loyalists (if memory serves me).

Anyways, I can understand his preference towards the 3.5 codex. Personally, I disliked it as wonky, but there has never been a CSM codex with more diversity. Even then though, tell him you want to play 6th edition. Shoe him the book or bring him to game with 6th edition players. From there, if you are casual enough, just find a way to make some agreements. Troop jump, extra fear chances, night vision, etc. Even possible point distributions. If he sticks to 3.5 edition then he's already playing outside of normal 40k. The game's an unbalanced mess with terrible internal balance and a drastic obsession with randomness. The game is supposed to be fun. If one of the both isn't enjoying it then what is the point of it all?

I agree. Also I read the NL rules part again and to be honest I don't see much too powerful stuff . Can't take marks , can run 4 hvy support , but non of those are helldrakes . They get demonic visage for their champs and can get lot of upgrades. They can take tooled up lords and that is more or less the only power thing for NL in the book.

Heh, Blood Angels counts as Night Lords. [Edmund Duke voice]Could Work...[/Duke]

Thanks for all the help guys.