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I am wondering if I should add missile launcher havocs with Flakk or Lascannon Havocs. I already have autocannon havocs, and want more AA. Where I currently play, everyone has at least one flyer. Since Flakk is at normal BS and only 5 pts more than Lascannon, I was thinking of giving them a try.

If you are all about the AA, probably flakk missiles.

Flakk and a quad gun and ur golden...

flakk missiles are becoming irreplaceable.

Ironically, the one flyer you'll have trouble with is the helldrake in a mirror match up. S7 AP not good enough sucks against helldrakes so bad. By the time you shoot down even one, most of your list will be barbecued. Even a flakk havocs and a quad gun combined have a lousy chance of downing a helldrake.

The lascannons not only have +2 strength, but they also roll +1 on the damage chart making destroyed twice as likely.

Twice as many pens, twice the chance to destroy, almost makes up for the 1/4 chance to hit.


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neither is a good matchup against heldrakes and the heldrake will come on the board and bbq them first thing.

Really? 4 S7 shots are irreplaceable? Storm Ravens and Vendettas say hi.

Seriously though, 4 S7 is not great AA. You are only likely to hit with 3, which against the flyers worth worrying about (Ravens, Vendettas, Drakes) that's 1HP only with a very slim chance of destroying it.

Given that their ability to perform their role is pretty poor, I would say 175pts Flakk Havocs are too expensive to be worth taking. The Autocannons are poor at the job too, but only about half as poor against flyers, but at the same time are better against everything else while being cheaper.

I was planning on running 2 squads of 5x havocs behind an aegis with a Quad Gun.

Or, you could not worry about AA, since I'm sure opposing flyers will be trying to shoot down the Helldrakes, not the rest of your list. They pretty much don't have a choice, since helldrakes can kill troops faster than Vendettas or Stormravens can kill your troops.

Martel732 wrote:
Or, you could not worry about AA, since I'm sure opposing flyers will be trying to shoot down the Helldrakes, not the rest of your list. They pretty much don't have a choice, since helldrakes can kill troops faster than Vendettas or Stormravens can kill your troops.

Sadly I do not own a Heldrake :(

 Solomongrundy wrote:
I was planning on running 2 squads of 5x havocs behind an aegis with a Quad Gun.

Well if you were running the ADL/Quad combo anyway then I suppose it Flakks a little bit more viable as you are no longer paying that 100pts just to make them better at their job.

Yeah, no helldrakes is an issue, since that's a defining unit for 6th edition C:SM. And as we are discovering, CSM's AA is a bit weak without the helldrakes to draw the heat.