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Finally i'm going to be able to field my fully painted StormTalon. Any new tactics I should think about? I'm running it with the skyhammer missiles as i had success with str7 on my rifleman dread.

If I'm not wrong people generally prefer Lascannons on theirs but the Skyhammer can also work well through greater weight of fire.

Anywho, standard tactics are to gun past another flier, then pump it's rear armor full of lead with the turrets, and preferably have it come after the other flier.

I run the Skyhammer ML as well.

3 Str 7 shots, and 4 str 6 TL/Rending shots do really well against a lot of things for only 125 points on a flyer. YMMV, but I just have better results using this configuration.

Well the fact that the assault cannon is 360 degrees lets you fly behind other flyers and pelt them in the rear. I'd personally prefer the cheap Skyhammer.

How often do your stormtalons just lose 1HP and survive? I am an Iron Hands player and wondering if they would be a worthwhile investment.

I prefer the Typhoon missiles as they are great for putting the hurt on nid bugs and marines in the open and has a decent combination of High strength and RoF. You pay a pretty penny for those missiles though. They are the most expensive weapon option.

 Trozen wrote:
Well the fact that the assault cannon is 360 degrees lets you fly behind other flyers and pelt them in the rear. I'd personally prefer the cheap Skyhammer.

How often do your stormtalons just lose 1HP and survive? I am an Iron Hands player and wondering if they would be a worthwhile investment.

I was thinking the same thing, running an Iron Hands air force, 3x Storm Talons and 3x Storm Ravens. Pair them up and put the rest of your army in pods. 975 invested in flyers. If you can avoid 1st turn it is a massive massive advantage.

 Zagman wrote:

 Trozen wrote:
Well the fact that the assault cannon is 360 degrees lets you fly behind other flyers and pelt them in the rear. I'd personally prefer the cheap Skyhammer.

How often do your stormtalons just lose 1HP and survive? I am an Iron Hands player and wondering if they would be a worthwhile investment.

I was thinking the same thing, running an Iron Hands air force, 3x Storm Talons and 3x Storm Ravens. Pair them up and put the rest of your army in pods. 975 invested in flyers. If you can avoid 1st turn it is a massive massive advantage.

If you go UM, add Tigurius to control your reserve (and maybe get Prescience or Forwarning to put 4++ on one of them if in range)

 paqman wrote:

 Zagman wrote:

 Trozen wrote:
Well the fact that the assault cannon is 360 degrees lets you fly behind other flyers and pelt them in the rear. I'd personally prefer the cheap Skyhammer.

How often do your stormtalons just lose 1HP and survive? I am an Iron Hands player and wondering if they would be a worthwhile investment.

I was thinking the same thing, running an Iron Hands air force, 3x Storm Talons and 3x Storm Ravens. Pair them up and put the rest of your army in pods. 975 invested in flyers. If you can avoid 1st turn it is a massive massive advantage.

If you go UM, add Tigurius to control your reserve (and maybe get Prescience or Forwarning to put 4++ on one of them if in range)

I'm pretty sure the fact that it's an Iron Hands air force means that he isn't going UM.

I am mainly curious people experience with how long the talons survive. I'd like to know how useful IWND would be on the 2HP flyer.

It really depends on the army. In a army with 2 units with skyfire they should be able to take one down, but with some good jinx saves you could survive and run back to repair and IWND.

But if your facing a list with just a quadd gun or 1 other flier there is a decent chance it will survive a turn or two.

 Trozen wrote:
I am mainly curious people experience with how long the talons survive. I'd like to know how useful IWND would be on the 2HP flyer.

Well HP stripping is still a fairly common way to down aircraft as S7 seems to be the defacto strength for most anti-air weapons, so it may be more useful than one would think it would be on an AV11 fighter.

 Trozen wrote:
I am mainly curious people experience with how long the talons survive. I'd like to know how useful IWND would be on the 2HP flyer.

Mine don't die all that often as it is. I find a lot of people tend to ignore my Stormtalons because they don't have a huge intimidation factor compared to the rest of my list.

Also, the Srormtalon never left.

Stormtalon was always pretty good, it's not really any better now. That said, I would not take Iron Hand JUST to get IWND on a Stormtalon since even if it somehow loses only 1HP then it's still only a 1/6 chance of regaining it.

besides, it's not like the enemy will have other things to shoot at (like bikes and things) as the Talon flies aroundt.

What about the stock configuration?
Makes for a medium range dakka thrower.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Stormtalon was always pretty good, it's not really any better now. That said, I would not take Iron Hand JUST to get IWND on a Stormtalon since even if it somehow loses only 1HP then it's still only a 1/6 chance of regaining it.

I think you need to reread the rules on IWND. You still have a 1/3chance of regaining that HP.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Stormtalon was always pretty good, it's not really any better now. That said, I would not take Iron Hand JUST to get IWND on a Stormtalon since even if it somehow loses only 1HP then it's still only a 1/6 chance of regaining it.

Oh I am updating my IH army to 6th and wondering on the usefulness of various anti-air options. 1/3 of the time to regain a HP btw.

 Thaylen wrote:
Also, the Srormtalon never left.

Yeah, I too was looking at the title and thinking, 'did it go somewhere?'

I was referring to my personal StormTalon that got shelved when I picked up the DA codex. it's back now for me! (and possibly for others now that the rules are not in the flyer supplement)

 minigun762 wrote:
What about the stock configuration?
Makes for a medium range dakka thrower.

Not terrible, but for the extra 15 points, the Skyhammer missiles are so much better against light armor and other fliers that it's definitely worth it if you can find the points.

 wtwlf123 wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
What about the stock configuration?
Makes for a medium range dakka thrower.

Not terrible, but for the extra 15 points, the Skyhammer missiles are so much better against light armor and other fliers that it's definitely worth it if you can find the points.

I've found that the Skyhammer missiles are actually overblown against many vehicles and flyers, since flying over them and firing your assault cannons into their rear armor is often more effective.

True, but it hasn't been difficult to find opportunities to fire both weapons at armor that they can penetrate. The extra 3 shots against side armor that you can't get behind can make a big difference.

 wtwlf123 wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
What about the stock configuration?
Makes for a medium range dakka thrower.

Not terrible, but for the extra 15 points, the Skyhammer missiles are so much better against light armor and other fliers that it's definitely worth it if you can find the points.

I'm hesitant to invest many points into AV11 with 2 HP only.

No, because something like the stalker is $$ vs Stormtalons.

 Trozen wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Stormtalon was always pretty good, it's not really any better now. That said, I would not take Iron Hand JUST to get IWND on a Stormtalon since even if it somehow loses only 1HP then it's still only a 1/6 chance of regaining it.

Oh I am updating my IH army to 6th and wondering on the usefulness of various anti-air options. 1/3 of the time to regain a HP btw.

Oh that's right, I was mixing it up with Regeneration on Nids. Still, 1/3 chance on a 2HP vehicle isn't the sort of thing you choose as the basis for your army's chapter tactics. That said, if you're running Iron Hands anyway then it's a bonus.