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http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#story/bs-md-arrest-small-20130923/



The Howard County father whose arrest became a viral web video and a cause celebre of conservative talk radio won't be prosecuted for disrupting a meeting on state education standards.

The Baltimore County state's attorney's office dropped assault charges Monday against Robert Small, who had been led out of the Thursday night meeting in Towson by an off-duty police officer. Small interrupted education officials, complaining that new standards were aimed at sending children to community colleges.

"It was clear that Mr. Small violated the rules of the meeting and disrupted the meeting. It was also clear that the officer acted appropriately and did have probable cause to make an arrest on both charges," the state's attorney's office said in a statement. "In the interest of justice, further prosecution will not accomplish anything more. Therefore, the charges have been dismissed."

Small, 46, has been discussed on Glenn Beck's radio show. Sean Hannity has reached out to him. Two lawyers offered to take his case for free, and people from across the country have sent emails offering help, while others have just written to praise him for standing up at the meeting. Maryland politicians have jumped in to defend Small and discredit the handling of the public meeting.

A relative unknown until Friday, Small's case spread over social media. A YouTube video of him being escorted out of the room by the police officer has been viewed more than 500,000 times.

In fact, it seemed that the only one not talking about it is Small. He gave a brief interview to The Baltimore Sun on Friday but has declined to comment since.

The Ellicott City father of two interrupted a public forum given by the Maryland State Department of Education on Thursday night at the Ridge Ruxton School on Charles Street in Towson. After a lengthy presentation by officials, members of the public were asked to submit their questions in writing. Baltimore County School Superintendent Dallas Dance then scanned the pile of questions and picked out ones to be read aloud.

A panel, which included state schools Superintendent Lillian Lowery, then answered the questions.

But Small wasn't satisfied that his question would be answered so he stood and interrupted Dance. He said he believed the new standards would lower expectations for students and that teaching would be aimed at getting students to community colleges rather than Harvard.

After being told, "Let's go," by an officer, Small continued to talk to the parents, saying, "Don't sit there like cattle." A Baltimore County police officer, who was working as a security guard, escorted Small out of the room, arrested him and charged him with assaulting a police officer and disturbing a school activity.

In an interview Friday morning, Small did not criticize the police actions but said he had a First Amendment right to speak. Small graduated from Baltimore County public schools, went on to a community college and got his four-year degree from the University of Maryland, College Park.

He said he is employed by the federal government and his two children attend Howard County public schools.

Many conservatives oppose the implementation of the new Common Core standards on the grounds that it is a federal government intrusion into local school control. Beck and others have talked about the new standards for months.

On his Monday morning radio program, Beck said Small's arrest was "a warning sign to the American people. I believe my job is to tell you the signposts. My job is to tell you how far down this road are you and how much farther do you have to go. Not much."

State Del. Patrick L. McDonough characterized as "outrageous" the failure of education officials to give Small a chance to speak. The Baltimore County Republican plans to introduce legislation that would put a moratorium on the implementation of the Common Core standards in the county's schools. Del. Ron George, a Republican candidate for governor, said Monday he wants address the common core standards in the next General Assembly session.

"I think education is best handled at the local community level," McDonough said.

Maryland was one of 45 states and the District of Columbia to adopt the Common Core standards, which were written collectively by the National Governors Association and the association of chief state school officers. The Common Core is not a federal requirement, but the Obama administration offered financial incentives to states that implemented the standards.

The state has trained 7,000 teachers for three summers in a row in the standards, and local school systems have been writing their own curriculum or lesson plans that align with the new standards.

All school systems in Maryland were required to begin teaching to the standards this school year.

Harford County Executive David R. Craig, a Republican candidate for governor, said Monday that he does not support the Common Core because he believes what is taught should be left up to classroom teachers. The former teacher and administrator said he believes the new standards are no better than what was required by the state under No Child Left Behind and that he is opposed to the amount of testing that would be required.

He also expressed concern about the way Thursday night's meeting was handled by education officials. In his many years of overseeing public meetings as a Harford County official, he said, he never had to have someone arrested, even when members of the public were upset and angry. "We always respect the people. ... Why not let them get up and speak and give their concerns?" he said.

Baltimore County schools spokesman Mychael Dickerson said the system had gotten dozens of comments from the public, either by phone or email.

Officials did not answer questions about whether they believed Small should have been arrested for his behavior at the meeting. But they did send out an email to parents explaining how their children's education would change this year and issued a brief statement to reporters.

"The meeting helped us realize that we must do a better job of communicating what the Common Core is and what it is not," the statement said. "We have to ensure that our parents and community members understand that the Common Core allows us to implement our own curriculum, written by us, for us."

The Baltimore County Police Department, which had been criticized for its handling of the arrest, issued a statement saying that while the department "strongly supports a citizen's right to exercise his or her First Amendment rights, it also recognizes that meeting organizers have the right to establish rules of order."

Baltimore County Police Chief James Johnson said in the statement that he will review the incident.


So just remember, ask questions about what the state tells you is best, and you will be handled accordingly. Unless you're lucky enough to have your case catch enough media attention that you can't be quietly prosecuted and put away.

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It seems like he violated the rules of the meeting, not that he questioned things. You speak when you are given the floor

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I don't see the problem here.

If you can be asked to leave(or arrested) for being disruptive in a movie theater, then why not at a meeting on education standards?
   
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So just remember, ask questions about what the state tells you is best, and you will be handled accordingly. Unless you're lucky enough to have your case catch enough media attention that you can't be quietly prosecuted and put away.


C'mon KM, do you really think all this would have happened if he followed the rules of the meeting?

"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa

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 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
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Agreed. Areest seems a bit much though. But I have to leave with this:

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
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Agreed. Arrest seems a bit much though.

Per the article, the arrest was not simply for being disruptive--but also for "assaulting a police officer".
   
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fair point, but of course it was dropped.

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besides that, it doesnt sound like they were actually allowing anyone to ask real questions, the article explains that SOME previously submitted written questions would be addressed, if they decided they wanted to address them, and its very simple for them to just ignore the questions they dont want to deal with.

when was the time for him to ask a question? even if he pre submitted it, there is no guarantee they will address it.

sure, evict him from the meeting if he is a disturbance, but asking a question out of turn is not "assaulting" a police officer, and it should not have taken all this publicity to get that out there... had this been less popular, he would just be another person who had been dissapeared into a cell somewhere on assaulting a PO charges.

 
   
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Yup. In situations like this--even before the media gets involved--charges like that are usually to get you to cool down your temper.
   
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 easysauce wrote:
but asking a question out of turn is not "assaulting" a police officer


No, but it's more likely that he assaulted the police officer by resisting the eviction.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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He might have been eating Doritos. Thats assault right there.

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 easysauce wrote:
had this been less popular, he would just be another person who had been dissapeared into a cell somewhere on assaulting a PO charges.


That darn school board and their black vans!

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This whole story sounds like BS. If he was really arrested for disrupting the meeting, they would have charged him with disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace. Since they went with the much more specific "assaulting a police officer" my feeling is there is another side of this story we will hear in the next few days.

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On the one hand, I can appreciate a guy who demands better education standards. We need more of that. On the other hand an man who expects a school to prepare every student for Harvard is a loony.

   
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 Ouze wrote:
This whole story sounds like BS.


Are you implying that Beck and Hannity would lie or exaggerate to inflame their audiences in a an attempt to score some cheap political points and ratings?

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
This whole story sounds like BS.


Are you implying that Beck and Hannity would lie or exaggerate to inflame their audiences in a an attempt to score some cheap political points and ratings?



What next, Jimmy O'Keefe doctoring a tape?

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I bet it was just the victim trying to get publicity. It normally is.
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Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm sure we're missing part of the story.

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Submitting questions on paper is BS because they can pick and choose what they want to answer and no-one other than the author would be any wiser.

They can make a few of their own (again, no-one would know) to make them look good and reduce the time available to answer the "harder questions", "Sorry folks, we are all out of time!".

What appeared to be a well planned means of dealing with people "out of turn" shows they did not want to be questioned or lose control of the format.

It appears the meeting was contrived to give the appearance of a public meeting: everyone was there right?

I have seen too many people adept at handling "the cattle", set down some rules (yours) and make an example of the first person who questions, harshly.

Statement of not properly "having the floor" is silly because it was never going to be given.

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There seems to be a lot of speculation on your part there Talizar. I'm sure it doesn't fit into some preconceived narrative about such issues, except as a coincidence, of course.

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Indeed, I was about to post asking if you know more than has been posted so far. I think it's totally plausible he had a legitimate grievance initially and then "decided to keep it real" and then Keeping it Real Went Wrong.

I.e. they could all be jerks. So do you know more or are you speculating?

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
This whole story sounds like BS.


Are you implying that Beck and Hannity would lie or exaggerate to inflame their audiences in a an attempt to score some cheap political points and ratings?

I'm shocked, just shocked!

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 Frazzled wrote:
fair point, but of course it was dropped.


Perhaps he should have been shot to death. That would have made a story.

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 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
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Dura lex, sed lex.

If you want to cherry-pick your kid's education in order to send them to overrated and overcosted institutions, then wipe out the cash and send them to private schools from the get go. But you're most likely wasting cash, your kids probably aren't that bright anyway.

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My thoughts as well Kovnick. Who even wants a country full of Harvard grads? There are enough stuck up douche bags here already

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
My thoughts as well Kovnick. Who even wants a country full of Harvard grads? There are enough stuck up douche bags here already


Hell, half the core courses in Philosophy are available freely on Youtube. I realised a bit after passing my Ethics course that my teacher had entirely ripped Micheal Sandel's Justice serie. Down to the jokes.

But yeah, sure, I'll pay $38, 891 a year instead.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
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Dura lex, sed lex.

If you want to cherry-pick your kid's education in order to send them to overrated and overcosted institutions, then wipe out the cash and send them to private schools from the get go. But you're most likely wasting cash, your kids probably aren't that bright anyway.

That is pretty much the whole scam that is private schools.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I realised a bit after passing my Ethics course that my teacher had entirely ripped Micheal Sandel's Justice serie. Down to the jokes.


Lulz. My prof. didn't even pretend. Homework was usually "go watch that Sandel video on youtube."
   
 
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