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Can Necrons compete with Tau/Eldar or are they yesterday's newspaper?
3-0. That list is just pure evil. Jy2, what the heck were you thinking? Nothing can stand in its way.
2-1. It's good, but still no match for the newer armies. My only loss comes at the hands of Tau/Eldar.
1-2. Necrons are overrated. Even the best computer from 3 yrs ago can't compete against the worst computer from today.
0-3. Nah. Never going to happen, no way. I'm quitting 40K and taking up underwater basket-weaving if this is my final tournament record.

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Ok, I have this tournament coming up this Saturday in Sacramento and I hear it is a pretty competitive tournament. Competitive as in Ard Boyz-style competitive but with double-FOC instead. And for a 3-game RTT, the Contest of Champions in Sacramento is actually pretty big. I'm talking about 60-players at this points level and sometimes over 100 players at the lower points levels (when it's at 1750 or less). That's even bigger than most of the GT's in the West Coast!

Also, I am going up with my Team Zero Comp buddies, Grant "Grant Theft Auto" and "Triptide" Adam. And while I am a freelancer, here we are encroaching on someone else's turf. Namely, we are entering Wolf Brothers territory and their rivals, the Sac City Punishers - 2 of the bigger gaming clubs up in Sacramento. There's a little friendly rivalry going on between Team Zero Comp (with Reece, Frankie and friends) and the Sac City Punishers (including SCP Yeeman and Lyzz Foster, the BAO 2013 winner). As a matter of fact, just a few weeks ago, Team Zero Comp had a rumble with the Sac City Punishers and it was Team Zero Comp that came out on top. There is also a rivalry between the Wolf Brothers and the Sac City Punishers, though I'm not too familiar with the score between them. As for me, I am just a friendly observer....though I'd be more than happy to beat face against any who get in the way of my necrons.

In any case, this tournament is probably going to be pretty hardcore. Grant Theft Auto is brining his super-nasty Seer Council Deldar Mechdar army. Triptide Adam is actually going way over-the-top with an 8-heldrake Chaos list (yes, you heard right....that's 8 frickin helturkeys!). As for me, sorry Fun-crons....time for the big boys to come out to play. I'm taking what I feel is the tournament-winner, my Take-Yo-Lunch-Money-&-Make-You-My-Biyotch-Crons! It is a super-competitive, double-FOC, pure necron build that will just beat face. So let me make this disclaimer now:


WARNING - If you are looking for a friendly, fluffy tournament list and report, then GET OUT OF THIS REPORT NOW while you still can!!! However, if you are looking for some seriously hardcore, ultra-competitive competition, then look no further....you're in the right place.


Now my personal goal isn't really to win. My goal is to show that my necrons can beat the supposedly top-tier Tau and Eldar. Now I don't care if I lose to Sisters of Battle, Blood Angels or Chaos Marines, but I absolutely will smash any Tau and Eldar players that I come across. And I hope I get to play against Tau/Eldar/Taudar/Eldau for all my games. As far as I'm concerned, those "pretenders" haven't earned the right to call themselves top-tier until they have proven to me that they can beat my crons....and that is something that just will not happen


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Destroyer Lord - 2+, MSS, Ressurrection Orb
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5x Necron Warriors - Night Scythe
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You say that you only care about beating Tau and Eldar... so are you specifically building for that? If you're not running a list that you are trying to Take All Comers and trying to win with, I don't know how much merit I would place in the Necrons being more competitive than Tau/Eldar/Taudar/etc. But of course if your intentions are in motivation only and aren't really reflected in the list to that extent, then I think there'd be more to take away from this event.

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I played a very similar list last night versus quad Riptides... Very tough matchup for the Cronz.

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I'm.. I'm.. seeing double!

Although I think you missed a AB there, shame you can't fit 6 in

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It's really going to depend on whether or not you can go 2nd each game. Those NS squads are the best objective grabbers in the game and you have the durability to go second each time.


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 Talore wrote:
You say that you only care about beating Tau and Eldar... so are you specifically building for that? If you're not running a list that you are trying to Take All Comers and trying to win with, I don't know how much merit I would place in the Necrons being more competitive than Tau/Eldar/Taudar/etc. But of course if your intentions are in motivation only and aren't really reflected in the list to that extent, then I think there'd be more to take away from this event.


This list has been his staple for Jy2 for a long time and is pretty much a TAC list as there isn't much that he doesn't have an answer for. He has tons of high-medium firepower that can drop fliers/light tanks/infantry. His Lord's can manhandle any high armoured vehicle and take on enemy deathstars by making them punch their own faces. The troops in the night scythes are great for last turn objective grabbing and linebreakers.

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Whew....man that is...a nasty list.
What made you decide on more wraiths and another destroyer lord as opposed to a 6th annihilation barge and/or another night scythe+ warriors?

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I'm predicting 3-0 jy2.

That list is nasty, though I do question the third Wraith squad over a a 6th Annihilation Barge and another squad of Warriors in a Scythe. Even with 4 scoring units I think you will be just fine. No one wants to go second against you and going 1st gives you the best objective grab around.

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How is he bringing 8 Heldrakes? He can get 6 with double FOC but where are the other 2 coming from?

   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
How is he bringing 8 Heldrakes? He can get 6 with double FOC but where are the other 2 coming from?


I would assume one from each allied detachment.

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 Talore wrote:
You say that you only care about beating Tau and Eldar... so are you specifically building for that? If you're not running a list that you are trying to Take All Comers and trying to win with, I don't know how much merit I would place in the Necrons being more competitive than Tau/Eldar/Taudar/etc. But of course if your intentions are in motivation only and aren't really reflected in the list to that extent, then I think there'd be more to take away from this event.

Nope, it's a very strong TAC list. My assertion is that Necrons are not outdated. They still belong in the upper echelons of competitive 40K, right up there with Tau and Eldar. And I want to show it by beating them. Now what will that prove? Absolutely nothing, but I'll sure have fun doing it.


 Dozer Blades wrote:
I played a very similar list last night versus quad Riptides... Very tough matchup for the Cronz.

Yeah, my first game against Adam's Triptide Tau was rough, though I look at that game more as an exception rather than the norm.


 Shandara wrote:
I'm.. I'm.. seeing double!

Although I think you missed a AB there, shame you can't fit 6 in

I actually still can, assuming I want to drop a couple of wraiths and probably a ResOrb. Hmmmm.....


 Red Corsair wrote:
It's really going to depend on whether or not you can go 2nd each game. Those NS squads are the best objective grabbers in the game and you have the durability to go second each time.


Do you have the missions?

I can still win going 1st, although I'd have a huge advantage if I were to go 2nd.

I don't have the missions. I didn't see them (the missions) posted on their site, so I'm assuming probably just standard book missions....maybe.


 y0disisray wrote:
 Talore wrote:
You say that you only care about beating Tau and Eldar... so are you specifically building for that? If you're not running a list that you are trying to Take All Comers and trying to win with, I don't know how much merit I would place in the Necrons being more competitive than Tau/Eldar/Taudar/etc. But of course if your intentions are in motivation only and aren't really reflected in the list to that extent, then I think there'd be more to take away from this event.


This list has been his staple for Jy2 for a long time and is pretty much a TAC list as there isn't much that he doesn't have an answer for. He has tons of high-medium firepower that can drop fliers/light tanks/infantry. His Lord's can manhandle any high armoured vehicle and take on enemy deathstars by making them punch their own faces. The troops in the night scythes are great for last turn objective grabbing and linebreakers.

Yeah, basically I won the Golden Throne 2012 with a 1500 scaled-down version of this list (though with doom scythes before they got FAQ'd).

IMO, my main weakness will be against psychic-heavy opponents like nids, daemons and eldar even. I think I'd have a hard time with Grant's Seer Council list, though he'd have a tough time with my flyers as well.


 iGuy91 wrote:
Whew....man that is...a nasty list.
What made you decide on more wraiths and another destroyer lord as opposed to a 6th annihilation barge and/or another night scythe+ warriors?

Resiliency on the ground. AB's have good firepower, though they are more susceptible to fast assault units/armies like daemons and the seer council or drop pod armies. I need more resilient ground units (i.e. my wraithstars) against these types of armies.

Besides, IMO there isn't much difference between 5 or 6 AB's, though I can still include the last AB in my list if I really wanted.


 Zagman wrote:
I'm predicting 3-0 jy2.

That list is nasty, though I do question the third Wraith squad over a a 6th Annihilation Barge and another squad of Warriors in a Scythe. Even with 4 scoring units I think you will be just fine. No one wants to go second against you and going 1st gives you the best objective grab around.

That's my prediction as well! I guess great minds think alike.


 Valkyrie wrote:
How is he bringing 8 Heldrakes? He can get 6 with double FOC but where are the other 2 coming from?

 Zagman wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
How is he bringing 8 Heldrakes? He can get 6 with double FOC but where are the other 2 coming from?


I would assume one from each allied detachment.

Right, double Primary and double allied detachments.

He'd also need 4 HQ's and 6 troops for his 8 heldrake list to be legal.

Frankly, my list wouldn't worry about all his heldrakes.



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How is this list good against Tau-Taudar again?

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Taudar don't want to be in combat with all those wraiths and lords. They're fast enough that most taudar lists won't shoot them all down before at least one unit hits.

If they're focusing on killing wraiths, the barges remain safe and those high RoF tesla hits will wear down serpents, riptides, and broadsides quickly.

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 Dozer Blades wrote:
Tau can pack a lot of intercepting units - my advice is to be careful and not get overconfident... fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.
Dark Angels fear most competitive lists nowadays though

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I find the lack of 36 wraiths disturbing.

Seriously though, despite this being undeniably a strong list it I believe Taudar to be superior, especially if the competition is as tough as you say.

I predict 2-1 owing to strong play on your end.

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Get these Batreps up soon! I have a 2250 tournament one week after that... I expect it to be very hardcore. Tough list you have there, but some Tau can trouble it.... I think you have it against Eldar though.


 
   
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 Dozer Blades wrote:
I agree... Necrons need a strong ally to stay on top versus the truly top competition.


Indeed, one of the greatest advantages of Tau or Eldar is the synergy both sides gain from alliances with either each other or other battle brothers.

The difference between BBs and AoCs is huge when sides possess such force multipliers as buffmanders and farseers.

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 Dozer Blades wrote:
Tau can pack a lot of intercepting units - my advice is to be careful and not get overconfident... fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.

Yeah, I've had plenty of practice against Tau interceptors. Namely, Adam's triple riptides with Heavy Burst Cannons, skyfire and interceptor. The only thing worse than that is 4 or 5 of those suckers in a Tau army.

And BTW, wraiths rush in where space elves and space communists fear to tread.


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How is this list good against Tau-Taudar again?

Honestly? Dunno, but I'll tell you after Saturday.


 hyv3mynd wrote:
Taudar don't want to be in combat with all those wraiths and lords. They're fast enough that most taudar lists won't shoot them all down before at least one unit hits.

If they're focusing on killing wraiths, the barges remain safe and those high RoF tesla hits will wear down serpents, riptides, and broadsides quickly.

Against Tau, I don't even need to assault them. The name of the game is board control. Shoot down any of their mobile units and just watch them try to get to the objectives. Honestly, crons should be a nightmare for most Tau builds.

However, the deciding factor in such a matchup may be the terrain. If there is even a modicum of BLOS terrain, I see wraithwing necrons taking the majority of the games against Tau.


 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
I find the lack of 36 wraiths disturbing.

Seriously though, despite this being undeniably a strong list it I believe Taudar to be superior, especially if the competition is as tough as you say.

I predict 2-1 owing to strong play on your end.

You got another 18 you could lend me? LOL!!!

Nah....that's just overkill. It's like bringing 8 helturkeys to a tournament. I think there is a plateau where efficiency peaks. Any more and the list becomes seriously unbalanced, like an athlete who takes way too much steroids to the point where it affects his game negatively.

But seriously, I think its a 3-way tie at the top between Necrons, Tau and Eldar.


 Dozer Blades wrote:
I agree... Necrons need a strong ally to stay on top versus the truly top competition.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
 Dozer Blades wrote:
I agree... Necrons need a strong ally to stay on top versus the truly top competition.


Indeed, one of the greatest advantages of Tau or Eldar is the synergy both sides gain from alliances with either each other or other battle brothers.

The difference between BBs and AoCs is huge when sides possess such force multipliers as buffmanders and farseers.

Gotta disagree with this. Necrons and Tyranids are probably 2 of the armies that are self-sufficient and self-optimized without the need for allies. Eldar also, but they also shine with allies like Tau or DE.


 jifel wrote:
Get these Batreps up soon! I have a 2250 tournament one week after that... I expect it to be very hardcore. Tough list you have there, but some Tau can trouble it.... I think you have it against Eldar though.

I actually think it is the other way around. I think Eldar can give my crons more trouble than Tau. Eldar maledictions can be super nasty against wraithwing necrons. Tyranids also. Necron's true weakness is against psychic-heavy armies.





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Ok...on my way there now.


BTW, which two of you fools voted 0-3? Really? Seriously?


Haha....just kidding. Stranger things could happen.


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I said 3-0, though I honestly think it's a tossup - you will probably get 2-1 easily enough, though one of your games you may have an opponent who gives you a rough time.

People saying that the Taudar matchup is just too good for Necrons to face is a bit too generalist for me - it can be a solid build, but only good players will actually beat other good players with it. If they don't know how to play it, another top list played by a top player will beat a mediocre Taudar player easy enough.

The main weakness that I see is your ability to score. If I played against you, I would of course make plans for the incoming Wraiths, but when I could, focus on your flyers. If you have 4 squads of Warriors in the back, they're going to have a rough time holding all the objectives, especially if the opponent has deepstrikers or the like to kill them off while your Wraiths are off trying to butcher his army.

It's a strong list though, and you seem to be a strong player, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I'd have voted in between 3-0 and 2-1 if I could though, haha!

   
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I voted 0-3 just because I realllllllyyyy wanna see a tactical analysis done up for competitive underwater basket-weaving Good luck man. If you go second each game I still think its a cake walk. For me that's all I need to see to know who will win when one side is necrons or eldar. Windriders and NS are really that crazy for objective grabs. NS are better.

   
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1st game against the Wolf Brothers ShotDownMind and his Dark Eldar/Eldar. Hopefully I get Taudar/Eldau next.


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I am guessing 2-1 but not lose to eldar or tau. I bet its gonna be something you just get suprised by. Eldar and Tau you have tons of experience and tactics to beat. The one lose is gonna be that kid that brings Space Marines and something off the wall. It will be like...umm wow how the feth did THAT happen

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Man, that was a long day. Just got back after 4 hours of driving (2 hrs each way) and I'm exhausted.


Just a brief preview of my opponents.


Round #1 was against Douglas (aka ShotDownMind) from the Wolf Brothers. He runs a blog dedicated to competitive 40K gaming (I think it's somewhat competitive):

http://shotdownmind.blogspot.com/

He brought a Dark Eldar/Eldar list with a ton of firepower. This is the type of army that can shoot most armies off the table. He also brought the beastpack with Baron and farseer, and the worst thing was that he got Fortune! Did I tell you guys how much I hate Fortune? Well, I hate Fortune.


I was hoping for more Eldar and/or Tau fun in round #2 but instead, I got Nathan and his Orks/Tau with nob bikers, meganobs, battlewagons, a riptide and broadsides. He looked rather intimidated by my army so I offered to switch up opponents for him. I was hoping he'd say yes so that I could find another Tau/Eldar player to play against, but he decided that he'd preferred to get demolished by my army instead.


So not wanting to wait for chance, I actually put in a request to the TO to play against a Taudar player. Now this wasn't just any ordinary Taudar player....this was against Israel and his beautiful but deadly Tau army. He was probably one of the 2 best Tau players in the tournament. Yes, IMO he is an even better Taudar player than Triptide Adam. And his list was nasty....as in 3 riptides, Buff Commander, Shadowsun, Farseer and 9 broadsides type of nasty! He was also the last guy to beat Grant Theft Auto's seer council deldar list.

I personally made the request to play against him and guess what?....I got him!


Lyzz Foster, the winner of the BAO 2013, was there also. I actually wanted to play against her as well. Too bad she wasn't running Tau or Eldar (she's a daemon player). Sorry Lyzz, we'll eventually play against each other in the future, but for now, I've got my eyes set on destroying some Tau.


More coming tomorrow....



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I agree Necrons are top tier. We just wrapped up the Michigan GT. First place was Wraithwing and I got 4th with Necrons/Typhus. Out of 56 players and 6 rounds. The best Tau/Eldar finish was Brad Chester in 5th..

..and there was a LOT of Taudar, with 20/56 players running either Tau or Eldar as their primary! The key difference here was player placed terrain, plenty of which was LOSB.

Looking at the stats from it, sorting by primary armies, Necron players combined went 5-0 vs. Tau and 4-2 vs. Eldar. A small sample size for sure, but 9-2 has to say something.

You should do well. It's a really strong army and you know it inside out. I will say it looks incredibly boring to play, at least to me hahaha.

Good luck!

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Ok, the list I finally decided to bring was my original necron list without any changes:


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Destroyer Lord - 2+, MSS, Ressurrection Orb
Destroyer Lord - 2+, MSS, Ressurrection Orb
Destroyer Lord - 2+, MSS

5x Necron Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Necron Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Necron Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Necron Warriors - Night Scythe

6x Wraiths
6x Wraiths
5x Wraiths

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And these were the armies I faced:


Round #1 - Douglas' Dark Eldar + Eldar



Primary:

Baron Sathonyx

4x Kabalite Trueborn - 4x Blasters, Haywire Grenades, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannons
4x Kabalite Trueborn - 4x Blasters, Haywire Grenades, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannons

5x Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannons
5x Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannons

14x Hellions

Beastpack - 5x Beastmasters, 10x Khymerae, 1x Clawed Fiend, 4x Razorwing Flocks

Allies:

Farseer - Jetbike, Shard of Anaris

5x Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent - TL-Scatter Lasers

10x Guardians - Wave Serpent - TL-Scatter Lasers

9x Windrider Jetbikes - 3x Shuriken Cannons

Wraithknight


PREVIEW:
In this game, we get The Relic and Emperor's Will. We both get something good this round. I get a scoring Warlord for my Warlord traits. Douglas gets Fortune for his farseer. I went 1st in this game.



Round #2 - Nathan's Orks + Tau



Primary:

Biker Warboss - Bosspole, 5++, Power Klaw, Warbike
Warboss - Bosspole, 5++, Attack Squig, Mega-armour

6x Meganobs
Battlewagon - Big Shoota, Deff-rolla

4x Nob Bikers - Warbikes, 2x Big Choppas, 1x Painboy

11x Shoota Boyz - 1x Nob w/Bosspole + Power Klaw
Trukk

11x Shoota Boyz - 1x Nob w/Bosspole + Power Klaw
Trukk

20x Shoota Boyz - 2x Big Shootas

3x Big Gunz - Kannons, 3x Ammo Runts
Battlewagon - 2x Big Shootas, Deff-rolla

Aegis Defense Line - Quad-guns

Allies:

Ethereal

Riptide - Ion Accelerator, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override, Stimulant Injector

20x Kroots, 1x Kroot Hound
20x Kroots, 1x Kroot Hound

2x Broadsides - TL-High-Yield Missile Pods, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override


PREVIEW:
Round #2 was Purge the Alien and Table Quarters, only there were 3 table quarters only (both of our deployment zones and No-Man's-Land). In terms of scoring units, my opponent had me beat. But in terms of threats, I had him intimidated. Haha.

I went 2nd in this game.



Round #3 - Israel's Tau + Eldar


Israel's army was gorgeous. He easily wins Best Paint in most of the tournaments he goes to. He is also one of the commission painters for Frontline Gaming ( http://www.frontlinegaming.org/ ) and his army is an example of the Level 3 paint job that you can get from them.


I've never played against Israel before and really wanted to beat....I mean, play against his army.


Israel is also a very, very good Tau player as well. It's almost like going out on a date with a girl who's not only beautiful, but who's got some brains and likes 40K as well. Ok, maybe not to that extent, but Israel's army was beautiful and he was a very skilled Tau player as well, so I had to make this match happen. I'm not leaving my final opponent to chance. The heart gets what the heart wants.

Primary:

Tau Commander - 2x Missile Pods, 2x Shield Drones, Early Warning Override, Velocity Tracker, Command & Control Node, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Multi-Spectrum Sensort Suite, Iridium Armour, Yada, yada, yada....

Commander Shadowsun - 2x Shield Drones

Riptide - Ion Accelerator, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override
Riptide - Ion Accelerator, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override
Riptide - Ion Accelerator, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override

8x Fire Warriors
8x Fire Warriors
8x Fire Warriors
8x Fire Warriors

4x Pathfinders

3x Broadsides - TL-High-Yield Missile Pods, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override
3x Broadsides - TL-High-Yield Missile Pods, TL-SMS, Early Warning Override
3x Broadsides - TL-Heavy Rail Rifles, TL-Plasmas, Early Warning Override
Skyray - TL-SMS

Allies:

Farseer - Jetbike

3x Windrider Jetbikes


PREVIEW:
Finally, in our last matchup, we get Big Guns on Fire and Purge the Alien. While I've got a fairly resilient army, Israel told me that he has not lost a Purge the Alien mission so far with the new Tau. And I can see why. His VP's are really tough to get, especially if he reserves his weaker units, and he can easily blow most opponents off the board. Fortunately for me, I am not "most oppponents". Then we have Big Guns - my 5 tough to get heavies against his 4 tough to kill heavies. Hmmm....he may actually have a slight advantage here with his Tank Hunter Buff Commander.

But what is most scary of all is the amount of the Intercepting guns that he has! I mean, Holy Emperor on a pogo-stick! I've never seen so many Intercepting units and guns before in my 40K life! I'm not sure if any of my flyers will survive this game. My opponent is going 1st and he'll have 2 turns to soften up my wraiths and AB's before my flyers come in. While intercepting my flyers will make his units somewhat vulnerable to my wraiths next turn, I have a feeling that there just might not be enough wraiths after 2 turns of his shooting to really put the pressure on him. My one only bright spot is that I got a very good Warlord Trait - I get to re-roll my Reserves.

His list definitely has my crons slightly concerned and you know what? I love it! Finally, my crons can play the role of the underdogs and that is a role I definitely relish.


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First off, let me start off with the photos of some of the armies at the tournament. There were a total of 36 players and there were quite some good players from Northern Cali.


There were maybe 3-4 IG armies. This one was probably the most impressive that I saw.


A closer look at the IG army. Guess they're waiting for pizza delivery or something.


The new biker marines. White Scars, perhaps?


Tzeentch Chaos, with a helturkey conversion.


Part of Triptide Adam's Chaos list, only he brought only 6 turkeys instead of the 8 that he was going to bring. His list also ended up 50-pts short at 2200-pts.


Grant Theft Auto's Deer Council Dark Mechdar list. You don't know what nasty is until you've played against his army. Grant went 3-0 for the tournament.


One of 3-4 tyranid armies.


More bugs.


Anthony from Shaken Not Stunned and his space marines.


Grey Knights. There weren't too many here today.


Dark Angels.


Ork army with some nice conversions.


2 of his nicely converted dreads.


Mechdar with 2 wraithknights....a very similar build to my own mechdar army. Mike also went 3-0 and had the 2nd highest battle points total in the tournament. I would have loved to play against this army. Should have issued a "challenge" to him on Round #2.


Dark Eldar + Eldar. Cody is a very good player and would finish the tournament #5 overall.


More Ravenwing.


Lyzz's daemons. For those not familiar, Lyzz won the BAO GT 2013, going undefeated in a very competitive field of 144 players. She did really well once again, finishing the tournament in 3rd place overall.


Sisters of Battle + space marine bikers.


Necron Scarab-farm + Grey Knights. Notice all the scarabs in the box to the right?


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First report will be out in a couple of days.


In the meantime, which games do you think I will win and which I will lose?



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 Xaereth wrote:
I said 3-0, though I honestly think it's a tossup - you will probably get 2-1 easily enough, though one of your games you may have an opponent who gives you a rough time.

People saying that the Taudar matchup is just too good for Necrons to face is a bit too generalist for me - it can be a solid build, but only good players will actually beat other good players with it. If they don't know how to play it, another top list played by a top player will beat a mediocre Taudar player easy enough.

The main weakness that I see is your ability to score. If I played against you, I would of course make plans for the incoming Wraiths, but when I could, focus on your flyers. If you have 4 squads of Warriors in the back, they're going to have a rough time holding all the objectives, especially if the opponent has deepstrikers or the like to kill them off while your Wraiths are off trying to butcher his army.

It's a strong list though, and you seem to be a strong player, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I'd have voted in between 3-0 and 2-1 if I could though, haha!

Yeah, I think player skill is actually more important than the list, to an extent. That's why a lot of the "net-lists" (I really don't like that term) aren't really as successful in competitive play. People take lists that they see from the net but they don't really understand the nuances of the list well enough to really be able to dominate with them. But you take a really good player with a really good list and he will dominate. The only person that can stand in his way is another very good player with good lists. And when I say good list, I don't necessarily mean a "net-list" but rather, a very synergistic list that the player really understands and know how to make work for him. An example would be your Nova Grey Knight-Tau list or any of Reece's or Janthkin's lists.

Scoring is definitely not a weakness of my list. As a matter of fact, it is the strength of my list. Keep that in mind and you have a chance against it. Under-estimate them and you will most likely lose. But you just have to play against it while generaled by a very skilled player to really see how difficult it is to play against. Don't mean to sound cocky, but in the hands of a lesser skilled player, it is already tough to play against. And in the hands of someone like me, Eric Hoerger (who won St. Valentine's Day Massacre 2012) or Tim Gorham (Best Necron player, ATC 2013), it is a monster.



 Red Corsair wrote:
I voted 0-3 just because I realllllllyyyy wanna see a tactical analysis done up for competitive underwater basket-weaving Good luck man. If you go second each game I still think its a cake walk. For me that's all I need to see to know who will win when one side is necrons or eldar. Windriders and NS are really that crazy for objective grabs. NS are better.

Ahhhhh....so you were one of the 2 (now 4) players who voted that I would be winless! Uh oh....better get my snorkels ready. I'm about to embark on a new hobby/sport/fetish/whatever. LOL.

Yeah, you can't be top-tier without mobile scoring nowadays IMO. While Tau troops are not very mobile, at least they can bring them in as allies.


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I think you will crush the ork list, he has reason to fear the quantity of high powered shots you can put out should shred his light tanks and infantry.

The dark eldar I want to say are going to be tough but I just don't see it with that list their running, however fortune isn't to be underestimated but I still see you taking that match-up handily.

I believe Taudar have you beat, your army comes in piecemeal to his which is mostly on the board turn 1, he has tons of interceptor to take away your flyer alpha strike and he is fast enough to delay your wraiths from getting early pivitol charges. Think you lose this one just a bad match-up(for pretty much everyone).

So I'll say 2-1 on the day.

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Punisher wrote:
I think you will crush the ork list, he has reason to fear the quantity of high powered shots you can put out should shred his light tanks and infantry.

The dark eldar I want to say are going to be tough but I just don't see it with that list their running, however fortune isn't to be underestimated but I still see you taking that match-up handily.

I believe Taudar have you beat, your army comes in piecemeal to his which is mostly on the board turn 1, he has tons of interceptor to take away your flyer alpha strike and he is fast enough to delay your wraiths from getting early pivitol charges. Think you lose this one just a bad match-up(for pretty much everyone).

So I'll say 2-1 on the day.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Yeah, I'd have to say of the 3 armies, Israel's Taudar would hands-down be my toughest challenge. After seeing his list, I actually felt that I might be a slight underdog in this matchup....perhaps a 45-55 underdog (45% chance my win, 55% tau wins). It'll be close, but I'm not liking my flyers' chances against all those guns. Just hope my wraiths can survive long enough to make him seriously think about either firing in Interceptor mode or reserving his shots instead for my wraiths on his turn.




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