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Zaroff85 wrote:
The flyrants are extremely weak right now with all the mass small arms fire and skyfire weapons. they almost always die before I get to even use them and on top of that they are expensive. My friend was the gold bug player there and he was in a position to place 3rd or 4th if he won his last battle. But 6 wave serpants and 2 wraith knights are ridiculous right now

Zaroff85
Tyranids

With all the shooting nowadays, the flyrant has really become a finesse unit. You really have to play it with care in order to get the most out of him.

BTW, I did wanted to play against Mike (the mechdar player). I felt that not only could I take his list, but I could actually destroy it. However, I had wanted to play against Israel's Tau even more.

I often see posts that go something like "My Flyrant keeps dying, Flyrants suck and everyone who uses them are noobs", it seems people are under the impression that a Flyrant is supposed to be some sort of unstoppable monster of destruction that is perfectly capable of being out in the open in range of your opponent's entire army and surviving. Tyranid players really need to get out of the "rush forward, smash face" mentality, this isn't 5th edition any more.

You mean that Flyrants are _not_ like Riptides and Wraithknights?

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I often see posts that go something like "My Flyrant keeps dying, Flyrants suck and everyone who uses them are noobs", it seems people are under the impression that a Flyrant is supposed to be some sort of unstoppable monster of destruction that is perfectly capable of being out in the open in range of your opponent's entire army and surviving. Tyranid players really need to get out of the "rush forward, smash face" mentality, this isn't 5th edition any more.

Yeah, with flyrants, you really can't just throw them headlong into the enemy and then expect them to survive. Even with Iron Arm, it is somewhat risky tactic. For them, sometimes, you have to be patient. Nowadays, I usually flank mine to try to minimize the amount of enemy firepower it would have to absorb, taking advantage of any and all LOS-blocking terrain as possible. I also find that much of the times, I am holding them back a turn for a beta-strike when my reserves start coming in.

Naw wrote:
You mean that Flyrants are _not_ like Riptides and Wraithknights?

No, they most certainly aren't.


But I will salivate at the idea of a T8 2+ flying MC....

 jy2 wrote:
Yeah, with flyrants, you really can't just throw them headlong into the enemy and then expect them to survive. Even with Iron Arm, it is somewhat risky tactic. For them, sometimes, you have to be patient. Nowadays, I usually flank mine to try to minimize the amount of enemy firepower it would have to absorb, taking advantage of any and all LOS-blocking terrain as possible. I also find that much of the times, I am holding them back a turn for a beta-strike when my reserves start coming in.

It can also pay to run them 2d6 when swooping for those times early in the game where the extra distance will get you out of line of sight. You don't always need to be shooting.

Great thread. You really make some great battle reports.

 wyomingfox wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Yeah, with flyrants, you really can't just throw them headlong into the enemy and then expect them to survive. Even with Iron Arm, it is somewhat risky tactic. For them, sometimes, you have to be patient. Nowadays, I usually flank mine to try to minimize the amount of enemy firepower it would have to absorb, taking advantage of any and all LOS-blocking terrain as possible. I also find that much of the times, I am holding them back a turn for a beta-strike when my reserves start coming in.

It can also pay to run them 2d6 when swooping for those times early in the game where the extra distance will get you out of line of sight. You don't always need to be shooting.

Yeah, my rule-of-thumb is this: if you can shoot, shoot. If you can't, run (unless you're already out of LOS).

 tameyeti wrote:
Great thread. You really make some great battle reports.

Thanks!

My reports tend to be more on the competitive side, but sometimes, I do make reports of my more casual games as well. For more of my reports, just click on my battle report thread below.

Jim,

My thanks to you, Grant, Israel, and the rest of the 'out of towners' that came to the tournament, Gary [the shop owner] and I [just a lowly TO ] appreciate the support.

I try to be as impartial as possible, especially to people who I play against regularly and consider friends on non-tournament days, and therefore I do not manipulate pairings. The only time I would intentionally manipulate 2 players going head to head is if its the first round and they're part of the same group and/or play against each other a lot, or if they request a pairing like you did with Israel. Since you both had similar scores and doing so would not skew the results horribly one way or the other, I was happy to make the switch - it looked like a great game from what little I saw of it! The downside is that in your second game you played someone with a similar battle score who turned out to be a weaker overall opponent. We get all levels of players, so it does tend to happen from time to time. We can only do so much with 3 rounds!

Now then, speaking as a tournament player and not as the TO, I personally love seeing new blood at the CoC. It really helps counter the effect of 'big fish in a little pond' where you get local players who dominate the local scene and opens things up. A lot of the local players had their mind blown when they heard some guys from Dakka were showing up and bringing some hard lists - 3 Riptides? 8 helldrakes?!? OMG everybody freak out!! In the weeks leading up to the 2250 CoC I heard plenty of *ahem* discussion about how we need to put rules in place to stop spamming and how those types of lists aren't fun, and as much as I hate to admit it our local tournament gets a decent amount of press but still struggles with players who want comp, in-depth sportsmanship, and thinks evil WAAC gamers are out to get them. After the dust settled I did get to hear from some players who played against those types of harder lists and actually managed to have fun and found out the sky wasn't actually falling, so again I'm glad you guys managed to come out and support us. I just recently got back from Brawl in the Fall (awesome tourney, btw) and I'll be going to the Guardian Cup in a few weeks so maybe we'll bump into each other; if so first round's on me!

Congratulations on your finish and thanks for the battle reports also, for as much time as I spend at the tournaments I rarely get to watch games to conclusion.

Sirus @ GEG

Dogstar34 wrote:
Jim,

My thanks to you, Grant, Israel, and the rest of the 'out of towners' that came to the tournament, Gary [the shop owner] and I [just a lowly TO ] appreciate the support.

I try to be as impartial as possible, especially to people who I play against regularly and consider friends on non-tournament days, and therefore I do not manipulate pairings. The only time I would intentionally manipulate 2 players going head to head is if its the first round and they're part of the same group and/or play against each other a lot, or if they request a pairing like you did with Israel. Since you both had similar scores and doing so would not skew the results horribly one way or the other, I was happy to make the switch - it looked like a great game from what little I saw of it! The downside is that in your second game you played someone with a similar battle score who turned out to be a weaker overall opponent. We get all levels of players, so it does tend to happen from time to time. We can only do so much with 3 rounds!

Now then, speaking as a tournament player and not as the TO, I personally love seeing new blood at the CoC. It really helps counter the effect of 'big fish in a little pond' where you get local players who dominate the local scene and opens things up. A lot of the local players had their mind blown when they heard some guys from Dakka were showing up and bringing some hard lists - 3 Riptides? 8 helldrakes?!? OMG everybody freak out!! In the weeks leading up to the 2250 CoC I heard plenty of *ahem* discussion about how we need to put rules in place to stop spamming and how those types of lists aren't fun, and as much as I hate to admit it our local tournament gets a decent amount of press but still struggles with players who want comp, in-depth sportsmanship, and thinks evil WAAC gamers are out to get them. After the dust settled I did get to hear from some players who played against those types of harder lists and actually managed to have fun and found out the sky wasn't actually falling, so again I'm glad you guys managed to come out and support us. I just recently got back from Brawl in the Fall (awesome tourney, btw) and I'll be going to the Guardian Cup in a few weeks so maybe we'll bump into each other; if so first round's on me!

Congratulations on your finish and thanks for the battle reports also, for as much time as I spend at the tournaments I rarely get to watch games to conclusion.

Sirus @ GEG

Thanks for hosting the tournament, Sirus. Also, thanks for accommodating my request. I've never played against Israel before and really wanted to match up against him.

I had a great time there. I really didn't know too much about the tournament, just the rumours that it was usually pretty tough and with a lot of players participating normally. Both of my friends, including the alleged 8-heldrake list (which turned out only to be 6) and Grant's deldar, were very, very strong lists. Thus, I decided to bring a tough list as well and honestly, with the exception of my R2 opponent, I needed it. Eldar/Tau/Eldau/Taudar are just sooooo good. To beat the best, I had to bring my "best" and even that wasn't enough to win it all.

I look forwards to the last CoC. I think I will be making another request there (there are still 2 players that I want to play against) and I looking forwards to a possible showdown against Grant's Deer Council who has been a thorn in my sides ever since their new codex came out.