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Now I know if they die in battle, they just reform in the Warp, but if a Daemon Prince continually disappointed it's patron diety, could the Chaos god revoke his daemon prince status?
Has this ever happened in the lore?

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
Now I know if they die in battle, they just reform in the Warp, but if a Daemon Prince continually disappointed it's patron diety, could the Chaos god revoke his daemon prince status?
Has this ever happened in the lore?

I can't remember exactly, but I think Tzeentch disposes of his greater daemons from time to time... fearing that they might start to plot against him.

M'kar died permanently in the Black Library Novel, The Chapter's Due.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/M%27kar#fn_4a

As Troike mentioned. After being beaten so often... not even the gods could feel humour in letting him return. They were ruining their name.... and even they couldn't help but feel bad for the poor daemon prince.

Daemons with their own identities can be permanently destroyed, it is incredibly difficult to do however.

Old fluff, force weapons had the ability to destroy the soul completely, this is why they were so good vs deamons

Yeah, I miss my old RFP force weapons. They bypassed EW.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/True_Death#.UlLivt_D_oo


Given that these are the only examples (and honestly I'm not sure the Draigo one was confirmed as a true death) out of a ridiculously huge amount of fluff, presumably True Death is a rather rare thing.

I'm not sure, but Eisenhorn utterly destroyed a daemons essence with his rune staff. While Churbael was confirmed as a daemon prince (Of who, we don't know) Prophaniti wasn't confirmed as anything other then a daemon, but we might assume he was a daemon prince two due to him having similar powers as Churbael. He did it with a powerful rune staff, which amped up his power to an Alpha level to leaver the soul out of the body. Now presumably any psyker could do this if he had the rune staff, the more powerful the psyker the easier it should be. But bear in mind that the Rune staff was made as a one of a kind by a very advanced tech priest using the remnants of a chaos artefact that turned an entire mining facility insane. Its not exactly run of the mill stuff.

 StarTrotter wrote:
As Troike mentioned. After being beaten so often... not even the gods could feel humour in letting him return. They were ruining their name.... and even they couldn't help but feel bad for the poor daemon prince.

Yeah, he became the galaxy's punch bag, even the Nids got their part in the "lets mess with poor M'kar" club.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Daemons with their own identities can be permanently destroyed, it is incredibly difficult to do however.

basically yes. incredibly difficult, likely not one size fits all approach.

X might permanently destroy DP A but not phase DP B.

It's chaos and there is no easy button.

send in maugen ra, sit back and enjoy.

M'Kar died because he was obliterated by an artifact imbued with a MASSIVE amount of faith. I didn't read that novel so I don't know if the gods themselves were involved or not (IE, that they decided not to resurrect him), but I never heard of that being the case until this thread...

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
Now I know if they die in battle, they just reform in the Warp, but if a Daemon Prince continually disappointed it's patron diety, could the Chaos god revoke his daemon prince status?
Has this ever happened in the lore?

An army made by a GW employee that made it into White Dwarf (and therefore might be considered "canon" depending on your point of view) had a daemon prince who pissed off the gods with his incompetency and was thus reduced to a chaos spawn. ...which creepily (or hilariously) was a daemon prince model made to look spawn-ish by being a heaping mass of muscle... in the shape of the daemon prince model.

Anything is possible. I doubt he'd actually be reduced to spawn level but he could definitely be reduced to being pathetically weak as punishment.

It's certainly possible...you have warp entities being swallowed up by others all the time and then there's the rather abstract account of what happened to all the Eldar gods, but basically - Slaanesh munched them and they no longer exist.

It boils down to this...all warp entities, from the lowliest Fury to the gods themselves, are made of the same essence. They're all daemons, it's just a case of differentiating between them with scale and power. So I see no reason a god couldn't swallow up their own followers, maybe even those of others, I can't imagine a Bloodletter being in Nurgles vicinity and not finding it's way into his waiting maw...

What I'm more curious about is whether it's been managed in the material realm. Having not seen the sources mentioned already with Eisenhorn and M'Kar, you'd think the Grey Knights would be best placed to do it. But the best they've managed is to trap a few of them, they don't seem to be aware of a method...

 Grey Templar wrote:
Daemons with their own identities can be permanently destroyed, it is incredibly difficult to do however.

This. Killing them is not enough. Whoever is trying to destroy them utterly would have to be very powerful and have the know-how to do it.

The methods also vary by demon. In M'Kar's case, it required a special artifact that was imbued with a truckton of faith over the pass 10,000 years.

Well some daemons don't have their own identities.

Lesser daemons like Bloodletters/Daemonettes/etc... are only a small portion of the god they are associated with. So they don't have an essence to be destroyed.

You could destroy a Greater Daemon, because they have enough of their god inside them to have their own consciousness. So you could actually diminish a Chaos God by simply capturing and destroying his various Greater Daemons.


My guess as to why the GKs don't pursue this line of attack is because its simply too much effort for not enough gain for it to be standard procedure.