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Would non terminator armor ever be worn by members of the deathwing? I'm modeling a deathwing land raider, and a crew member is in control of a storm bolter on the top. The land raider will be permanently belong to the 1st company, so would its crew also be members of the 1st company? I know Dark Angels are not trusting of the Adeptus Mechanicus so would a tech marine be a member of a 1st company land raider crew? If he was, and he was also a member of the 1st company would his armor be white, green, or red?

I have not read any of the black library books, so my feel for the Dark Angels all comes from the codex but I guess its not a simple answer for me so I'm looking for second and third opinions.

I believe that crew for vehicles are taken from a chapters support companies, so the LR crew would not necessarily be a member of the Deathwing.

That being said, the Deathwing would be on missions of a very sensitive nature (concerning the DA's darkest secrets) and so either only long serving and very highly trusted LR crew would be used (i.e. those privy to the DA's secrets at the same level as the Deathwing), or some of the Deathwing do indeed serve as vehicle crew.

My gut says that the crew are simply the longest serving and most trusted LR crews, who are told as much as they need to know.

Deathwing mission => Deathwing crew.

The Theme of the Dark Angels is their secrecy. Gain trust step by step.
Techmarines aren't fully trusted because of the pact they have to make with the mechanicum.
Plus GW took any boundaries of size off of the Deathwing and Ravenwing in the latest 6th dex......
Got crew? Just paint them as Deathwing.

There *are* members of the Deathwing that don't wear Terminator armour - however, they're not exactly standard battle brothers. I am of course referring to Masters, Librarians, Chaplains and so on. On that note I think it's acceptable that you could consider your crew to be "non-standard" Deathwing members, but they'd probably have green armour with bone robes, if anything.
I think there's something in the Codex about how Techmarines aren't ever part of the Deathwing, something mentioned whilst talking about their Master being interred into the Rock.

All members of the deathwing still own a set of power armor: when they do wear power armor, its green with a cloak over top (ie gws veteran box). Belial is only wearing power armor when he fights ghazgull (forget what book that is).
Techmarines (with the exception of the master of relics) are never inducted into the deathwing. Its my understanding that most space marine vehicles are set up for servitors and regular marines to drive: a space marine takes preditor driving as a devistator advancement

Belial is in the 3rd Company at that point.

I want to say one of the space wolf novels has some Deathwing marines wearing power armor.

General Duf wrote:
Belial is in the 3rd Company at that point.

While true... he is its Master. And all Masters are first Deathwing members.

Masters are inner circle, not necessarily Deathwing. But yes technically I believe you have to be Deathwing at some point to become a master.

General Duf wrote:
Masters are inner circle, not necessarily Deathwing.

To be a master, you first have to be Deathwing.

 Platuan4th wrote:

General Duf wrote:
Masters are inner circle, not necessarily Deathwing.

To be a master, you first have to be Deathwing.

Did you bother reading the second sentence?

Just to be clear... the Inner Circle *is the Inner Circle OF THE DEATHWING*.

It'd be like being a Sergeant without actually being in the military.

 Super Ready wrote:
Just to be clear... the Inner Circle *is the Inner Circle OF THE DEATHWING*.

It'd be like being a Sergeant without actually being in the military.

so quite possible then? I m a sergeant, but not in the military...

(but by that I mean Air Training Corps, not the ranking thing before any confusion erupts..)

They do, or at least have existed. But then anything might be changed tomorrow and the Deathwing have already undergone their share of change over time.

sierra wrote:so quite possible then? I m a sergeant, but not in the military...

I.. you... but... GAH, technicalities. I'm sure you get the idea now anyway.

Kojiro wrote:But then anything might be changed tomorrow and the Deathwing have already undergone their share of change over time.

That's a Rogue Trader pic, isn't it? Before Dark Angels got their first Codex. So retconned into oblivion since, but still cool to see, so thanks.

I doubt the crew itself would be Deathwing, vehicle crews are generally pulled from elsewhere in the Chapter. Therefore, I'll say green armour.

If it's permanently assigned though, you could have the crew adopt some Deathwing colours. Possibly a bone-coloured shoulder?

 Zed wrote:
I doubt the crew itself would be Deathwing, vehicle crews are generally pulled from elsewhere in the Chapter. Therefore, I'll say green armour.

If it's permanently assigned though, you could have the crew adopt some Deathwing colours. Possibly a bone-coloured shoulder?

.....Deathwing vehicles are in the codex, so fairly safe to say they have Deathwing crews (and odds are you want someone privy to secrets whilst extracting a fallen to a combat zone)

 Zed wrote:
Therefore, I'll say green armour.

Possibly a bone-coloured shoulder?

It's not... It's not that when a company need a vehicle crew, that they use marines from other companies. It's that when you need a squadron of vehicles, you're more likely to use a reserve unit than a more experienced one.

When a company need vehicle crew, they just crew the vehicles. The Deathwing are a fighting unit that have vehicles. They just crew the vehicles.

If they're a member of the Deathwing but wearing powered armor, they wear bone colored robes over the green armor.

Azrael, Ezekiel, Asmodai, etc are all examples of this.

As others have said, inner circle members are members of the Deathwing and dont normally wear terminator armor. See Azrael (Unless you want to claim the Supreme Grand Master is not a member of the Deathwing).

The Deathwing is the 1st Company. The command structure such as Azrael, Ezekiel, and Sapphon are not IN the Deathwing/1st Company although they would/could of been at one point in time before they attained their current positions.

Azrael = Chapter Command
Ezekiel = Librarius
Sapphon = Reclusium

Only upon ascension to the 1st Company, known within the Dark Angels Chapter as the Deathwing, will a battle-brother begin to learn of the events that transpired at the dawn of the Age of the Imperium. This is the first ring of trust within the Inner Circle..."

Page 12, Dark Angels Codex, 6th Edition

While a new member of the Inner Circle might suppose he has been told the entire tale, such is not the case. There remains circles within circles, levels within levels, with each step accompanied by its own rituals. Entering the 1st Company is only the beginning of the journey of truth. Rising through the intricate and convoluted ranks of the Inner Circle, a Dark Angel will learn more and more, each secret revealed as the Chapter's trust in him increases.

Page 12, Dark Angels Codex, 6th Edition

The 1st Company is called the Deathwing and consists entirely of veteran troops, with an additional upper echelon of Masters-in-training known as Deathwing Knights. Their many triumphs have made the company famous across the galaxy. All members of the Deathwing fight in Terminator armour and are never fielded in power armour, as is the case with other Chapter's 1st Companies. The Deathwing use their own distinctive heraldry, and their armour is bone white, not the dark green colour used by the rest of the chapter.

Page 14, Dark Angels Codex, 6th Edition

Hopefully this clears some stuff up for you guys.

So then they are crewed by Terminators? Jk...

It is tough to say, because if they were crewed by normal DA marines, then it would make no sense for them to have any special rules. I would have to guess they are crewed by deathwing members but perhaps age or injury has forced them to use the vehicles.

I imagine that normal tank drivers crew them. they have PE against CSM because the terminators tell them about the fallen but wipe their minds after the battle.