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In the times I've been to Goblin valley and in all the years I've lived in this state, I've never heard of anyone being killed by the a falling rock there. I hope these idiots get a felony conviction.
I love how they are trying to justify their stupidity/destruction of natural beauty by claiming it's about safety I have a feeling they were doing it as a goof but then they realized how bad they looked on the vid so they came up with a lame excuse for why they did that, now Goblin Valley will have to fill the area with "no pushing the rocks" signs. I hope they have really good glue as well.
It's an amazing place to walk through, and has been used in the filming of science fiction movies. To see it being busted up like this is maddening.
The morons pushing the rock apparently put no thought to the fact it's base could have broken wrong and tumbled the thing backwards onto them.
The state of Utah brings in millions annualy from tourists coming to see places like Goblin valley because of the unique rock formations not seen elsewhere.
If idiots like this lot were not prosecuted, the place would have long ago been destroyed and millions of dollars lost. There are towns in the area that are in large part supported by the revenue from the parks. Destroying them equates to robbing the towns of this money.
Trust the frequent Nazi-esque poster to not give a gak about the vandalism of a geologically, historically & culturally important site.
The people in this video look like and are absolute degenerate morons, I hope they get a substantial fine. Excellent example for children to be following.
Dark Apostle 666 wrote: Geological vandalism should be punished ruthlessly.
They should be stoned to death, preferably with the rock they vandalised.
That'd learn 'em
That's extremely draconian. I seriously hope you are joking about having executions for vandalism.
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Dark Apostle 666 wrote: Geological vandalism should be punished ruthlessly.
They should be stoned to death, preferably with the rock they vandalised.
That'd learn 'em
That's extremely draconian. I seriously hope you are joking about having executions for vandalism.
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: Someone knocked over a rock and they get a felony conviction. Are you fething serious? Over knocking over a fething rock?
A rock, no.
Specific rock or rocks in a specific place/places, yes.
And we'll drop any and all mentions of Nazis, comparisons too etc etc for the rest of the thread thank you folks.
Yes, even the "fascinating" diversion into discussing their interest in archaeology, geology, rock music ( note to self : is this right ?!) o whatever.
Thanks.
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Well, thankfully all of us except one person feel this is an issue. This is a natural phenomena not likely to be seen again, and these idiots wrecked it. Fine them? Hell yes. Public flogging? Oh yeah. Death? Probably not necessary. Jury is out on that one. Inq. Ehrenstein, it's about preserving nature and appreciating it. These idiots who are supposed to represent that appreciation are making a mockery of it. They deserve the full weight of the law. I'm willing to bet they damaged a federally protected area. The fines are steep.
belongs after the 'jury being out' comment I made so that some people don't go up in arms over it.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Also, seems like they still think they did something right.
I think they're just digging themselves a bigger hole. I would imagine this won't be impressing the park officials. Also look at his fat smirking face, absolutely no remorse.
Utah scout leaders who topped ancient rock: 'We did something right the wrong way'
In Utah's Goblin Valley State Park, three men toppled a giant rock formation that's 170 million years old in just 14 seconds. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.
By Erin McClam and Tracy Connor, NBC News
Under fire from the Boy Scouts of America and under investigation by law enforcement, two Utah troop leaders who taped themselves gleefully toppling a boulder from a Jurassic-era rock formation in a state park said Friday they should have been more hands-off.
Two men congratulate each other after one toppled a rock formation in Utah's Goblin Valley State Park. The image is taken from a video that was posted on a Facebook page of one of the three men who appear in the video.
Glenn Taylor and Dave Hall told NBC News that they acted with good intentions, pushing the massive rock before it could fall on its own and hurt someone, but now wish they had just alerted a ranger.
"We did something right the wrong way," Taylor said.
Taylor and Hall, who were on a trip to Goblin Valley State Park with eight Boy Scouts, recorded the moment they dislodged the rock from the spot it had been perched for 170 million years.
The video, which was posted to YouTube by the Salt Lake Tribune, shows them cheering and high-fiving, crowing that they had saved lives. Taylor struck a pro-wrestling strongman pose and Hall sang the 1990 dance-party hit, "Wiggle It — Just a Little Bit."
“We have now modified Goblin Valley,” Hall declared on the video.
The footage brought a scolding from the Boy Scouts of America, which has a "Leave No Trace" policy for outdoors activities.
“We are shocked and disappointed by this reprehensible behavior," Deron Smith, a spokesman for the venerable scouting group, said in a statement on Friday.
"The isolated actions of these individuals are absolutely counter to our beliefs and what we teach," Smith said. "We are reviewing this matter and will take appropriate action.”
The Emery County Attorney's office is looking into possible criminal charges against the duo, although the state Attorney General's Office has decided not to intervene.
The longtime scout leaders were aghast that they could face a felony charge for their antics, and said the act was not malicious in any way, although an "adrenaline rush" may have made it look that way.
They said they were just enjoying a day of their young charges climbing over the rock formations, which is permitted under park rules.
"We came across this two- to three-thousand-pound boulder that was resting on about an inch-and-a-half-thick, razor-thin ledge of dirt," Hall said.
"Upon putting a little pressure on it, you could see that it was moving and just then a couple of families walked up right below that rock and went around it…and stopped for a family photo.
"And the thought that went through our minds was if this would have fallen while they were coming up that valley, up that very well-used walkway, numerous fatalities would have happened."
In retrospect, they say, they should have just told a ranger of the hazard.
Instead, Taylor went up to the rock "and with one arm put a little bit of pressure on that [and] it went right over," said Hall, who acted as cameraman.
Taylor admitted they were amped up by the sight, but said it wasn't done for kicks.
"It was spectacular to watch something like that," he said. "It was not 'let's go tear Goblin Valley down.'"
Hall said one of the scouts they were watching could easily have knocked over the boulder by accident.
"I wonder if we just jumped on the rock and it fell, would this be a felony?" he said.
But park officials said the pair were out of line.
“This is not behavior that is appreciated or should exist in state parks,” Eugene Swalberg, a spokesman for the park system, told the Deseret News.
“This has been formed for literally millions of years, and it’s supposed to last for a long time. It doesn’t need individuals doing the work of Mother Nature.”
What's next for these guys, dynamiting the formations in Arches park because they might collapse? These formations have been around for millenia for craps sake.
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For the record, I don't think they should be stoned to death.
I do however believe they should be punished for vandalism, and any other charge that can be flung at them, because I do not for one moment believe that they were doing it out of a misguided sense of public concern.
I do however believe they should be punished for vandalism, and any other charge that can be flung at them, because I do not for one moment believe that they were doing it out of a misguided sense of public concern.
I've been a scout leader and I just hang my head at what these guys did and then trying to excuse themselves saying they were saving lives.
I'm fine with it being illegal to destroy geological formations at tourist sites, in the same way it's illegal to take driftwood from the beach. Because with little effort donkey-caves would ruin it for every following generation, forever. It's not like vandalizing some ornamental flowers that will grow back.
You might as well allow clear-cutting at national parks at that rate. Because "they're just trees".
Rules exist for a reason. And rules like "don't vandalize things that are for everyone to look at" are hard to accidentally break. So I don't have any problem having no mercy during punishment. Especially when they immediately insult our intelligence by coming up with some cockamamie excuse.
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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: Someone knocked over a rock and they get a felony conviction. Are you fething serious? Over knocking over a fething rock?
My commentary on getting worked up about this:
That formation of rocks has likely been there for thousands of years, and is a serious draw for tourism in the area. It's completely irreplaceable and if that destruction keeps up the park service could stand to lose a lot of money from tourists.
Not to mention that could have killed somebody.
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The real question here is, what the eff happened to the boy scouts since in time past, I was one? Cause back in my day, we did not roll thusly.
On the other hand, us being from NYC meant actually getting into the wilderness was only a few weeks a year so maybe the appreciation of nature was emphasized by our limited access.
But from my recollection, this kind of behavior was pretty antithetical to scouting.
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To be clear, I think these people should be fined and that what they did was not justified.
Andrew1975 wrote:
That formation of rocks has likely been there for thousands of years,
three men toppled a giant rock formation that's 170 million years old
Try 170 Million Years
The area was under water that long ago. The surface of the earth doesn't stay constant long enough for it to be that old.
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Also, seems like they still think they did something right.
I think they're just digging themselves a bigger hole. I would imagine this won't be impressing the park officials. Also look at his fat smirking face, absolutely no remorse.
Utah scout leaders who topped ancient rock: 'We did something right the wrong way'
In Utah's Goblin Valley State Park, three men toppled a giant rock formation that's 170 million years old in just 14 seconds. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports. By Erin McClam and Tracy Connor, NBC News Under fire from the Boy Scouts of America and under investigation by law enforcement, two Utah troop leaders who taped themselves gleefully toppling a boulder from a Jurassic-era rock formation in a state park said Friday they should have been more hands-off.
Two men congratulate each other after one toppled a rock formation in Utah's Goblin Valley State Park. The image is taken from a video that was posted on a Facebook page of one of the three men who appear in the video.
Glenn Taylor and Dave Hall told NBC News that they acted with good intentions, pushing the massive rock before it could fall on its own and hurt someone, but now wish they had just alerted a ranger. "We did something right the wrong way," Taylor said. Taylor and Hall, who were on a trip to Goblin Valley State Park with eight Boy Scouts, recorded the moment they dislodged the rock from the spot it had been perched for 170 million years.
The video, which was posted to YouTube by the Salt Lake Tribune, shows them cheering and high-fiving, crowing that they had saved lives. Taylor struck a pro-wrestling strongman pose and Hall sang the 1990 dance-party hit, "Wiggle It — Just a Little Bit." “We have now modified Goblin Valley,” Hall declared on the video. The footage brought a scolding from the Boy Scouts of America, which has a "Leave No Trace" policy for outdoors activities. “We are shocked and disappointed by this reprehensible behavior," Deron Smith, a spokesman for the venerable scouting group, said in a statement on Friday. "The isolated actions of these individuals are absolutely counter to our beliefs and what we teach," Smith said. "We are reviewing this matter and will take appropriate action.”
The Emery County Attorney's office is looking into possible criminal charges against the duo, although the state Attorney General's Office has decided not to intervene. The longtime scout leaders were aghast that they could face a felony charge for their antics, and said the act was not malicious in any way, although an "adrenaline rush" may have made it look that way. They said they were just enjoying a day of their young charges climbing over the rock formations, which is permitted under park rules. "We came across this two- to three-thousand-pound boulder that was resting on about an inch-and-a-half-thick, razor-thin ledge of dirt," Hall said. "Upon putting a little pressure on it, you could see that it was moving and just then a couple of families walked up right below that rock and went around it…and stopped for a family photo. "And the thought that went through our minds was if this would have fallen while they were coming up that valley, up that very well-used walkway, numerous fatalities would have happened." In retrospect, they say, they should have just told a ranger of the hazard. Instead, Taylor went up to the rock "and with one arm put a little bit of pressure on that [and] it went right over," said Hall, who acted as cameraman. Taylor admitted they were amped up by the sight, but said it wasn't done for kicks. "It was spectacular to watch something like that," he said. "It was not 'let's go tear Goblin Valley down.'"
Hall said one of the scouts they were watching could easily have knocked over the boulder by accident. "I wonder if we just jumped on the rock and it fell, would this be a felony?" he said. But park officials said the pair were out of line. “This is not behavior that is appreciated or should exist in state parks,” Eugene Swalberg, a spokesman for the park system, told the Deseret News. “This has been formed for literally millions of years, and it’s supposed to last for a long time. It doesn’t need individuals doing the work of Mother Nature.”
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timetowaste85 wrote:Well, thankfully all of us except one person feel this is an issue. This is a natural phenomena not likely to be seen again, and these idiots wrecked it. Fine them? Hell yes. Public flogging? Oh yeah. Death? Probably not necessary. Jury is out on that one. Inq. Ehrenstein, it's about preserving nature and appreciating it. These idiots who are supposed to represent that appreciation are making a mockery of it. They deserve the full weight of the law. I'm willing to bet they damaged a federally protected area. The fines are steep.
belongs after the 'jury being out' comment I made so that some people don't go up in arms over it.
If you want people to be publicly flogged over environmental vandalism, . I think that people should be fined for stuff like this, but claiming that people should be flogged over it is very extremist.
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I like how they think that the rock was held up by dirt. It was most likely some form of hard sandstone.
And I like how they think a rock that has been standing there for millions of years will fall just when someone is under it.
That formation of rocks has likely been there for thousands of years,
three men toppled a giant rock formation that's 170 million years old
Try 170 Million Years
Wrong, The rock layer itself formed 170 Mya, the formation is formed by erosion over the last few thousand years (relatively quickly in geological time) the narrow pillar would have continued to erode away until it could no longer support itself, that or when a minor earthquake hit. The new formation (rock at bottom of hole) has no more or less objective value than before it fell over
Long story short, some guys knocked over a loose rock, which is surrounded by a bunch of similar loose rocks, and a bunch of white people got upset on the behalf of a group stone age level nomads who were largely exterminated by the white people
Ouze wrote: The real question here is, what the eff happened to the boy scouts since in time past, I was one? Cause back in my day, we did not roll thusly.
On the other hand, us being from NYC meant actually getting into the wilderness was only a few weeks a year so maybe the appreciation of nature was emphasized by our limited access.
But from my recollection, this kind of behavior was pretty antithetical to scouting.
My wife was just at a Scout council training today and what these yo yo's did was part of the discussion. It was roundly condemmned as an example that goes contrary to any scout training. It was a case of morons disreguarding anything they were taught, effectivly ending any chance of them remaining or getting back into any leadership position.
The other scout leaders at the training were pretty much as disgusted as most of the posters here at what these guys did.
Long story short, some guys knocked over a loose rock, which is surrounded by a bunch of similar loose rocks, and a bunch of white people got upset on the behalf of a group stone age level nomads who were largely exterminated by the white people
Your comment shows that you don't know much about the way the different races in this state feel about the Goblin valley. As I said earlier, it's an amazing thing to walk through the place. Millions of dollars are generated by tourists and movie companies for towns surrounding it. It's a lot more than just some white guys getting upset.
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Ouze wrote: The real question here is, what the eff happened to the boy scouts since in time past, I was one? Cause back in my day, we did not roll thusly.
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. I think that people should be fined for stuff like this, but claiming that people should be flogged over it is very extremist.
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