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Hey all,

So was talking to a friend about this...

Who are each of the Chaos God's most powerful servants?

I think it is agreed that Khorne's is Doombreed followed closely by Angron and Slaanesh's is N'Kari but not sure who is next, maybe Fulgrim?

Sorry about the spelling. Stupid small smart phone problems!


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What about Tzeentch and Nurgle?


and in addition, who sis the Empys most poweful .... Draigo?

Tzeentch and Nurgle's N'kari/Doombreed equivalents are Bubonicus and I think M'Kachen. By "equivalent", I mean "came up at the same time". Though all four were daemon princes (though two of them were referred to as greater daemons instead, recently). I'm not sure if the fluff ever stated they were the four gods' most powerful servants though, although I think it makes things more interesting that they are, since all of them are supposed to be older than the Imperium and it thus helps gives a sense of scale of how fledgling the Imperium is compared to the Chaos gods.

Khorne's greatest champion varies. Some sources state its Anngrath the Unbound, whereas others such as the GK codex say its Ka'Bandha. Others say Daemon Primarch Angron. This is because Lorgar, as a mortal, was able to defeat Anngrath in single combat with ease, and Angron was known as the most powerful of all the Primarchs in single combat, beating even Russ. So once elevated to Daemonhood he'd be X times as powerful as before and certainly much stronger than Lorgar.

Slaanesh:NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Nurgle:Kharn(He's a nice guy)
Nurgle:Luke.You don't want to know.
Tzeentch:He gets bored of them.Its time for a CHANGE.

The Daemon Primarchs have to be up there considering there are numerous examples of them (pre-daemonhood) being able to best "Gods." Ex: Fulgrim choked the life out of Khaine before pummeling his face into a molten pool of floating brass. So then them gaining Daemonhood could empower them to even greater feats and capacities, although I'd argue that they lose a great deal as well by becoming enslaved by a daemon. :\

Slaanesh : Lucius
Khorne : Kharne or Skulltaker perhaps?
Nurgle : Typus, or the Death Guard Primarch?
Tzeetch : Kairos fateweaver

The Daemon Primarchs.


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 Deadshot wrote:
Khorne's greatest champion varies. Some sources state its Anngrath the Unbound, whereas others such as the GK codex say its Ka'Bandha.

Both of those sources specify mightiest Bloodthirster IIIRC.

Others say Daemon Primarch Angron. This is because Lorgar, as a mortal, was able to defeat Anngrath in single combat with ease, and Angron was known as the most powerful of all the Primarchs in single combat, beating even Russ. So once elevated to Daemonhood he'd be X times as powerful as before and certainly much stronger than Lorgar.

Lorgar did not defeat An'ggrath "with ease".

Angron has also been singled out as mightiest of Khorne's dudes quite a few times.

 Trondheim wrote:
Slaanesh : Lucius
Khorne : Kharne or Skulltaker perhaps?
Nurgle : Typus, or the Death Guard Primarch?
Tzeetch : Kairos fateweaver

These guys don't even come close. Sure, Kharn has sopecial favour, but he is simply incapable of causing as much RAAAGEEE and cklaiming as many SKUUUULLLSSSS as, say, a Bloodthirsters, or Skarbrand or Agron.
Lucius is nothing compared to Daemons of Slaanesh, simple.
Daemon Mortarian is certainly a competitor but Typhus is not.
Kairos could be considered, but if you consider the fact he has 2 heads is because he annoyed Tzeentch so much, then you have to look elsewhere.


@Void_Dragon
You are right of course, but its now a question whether a Daemon Prince can rival a Bloodthirster. judging by game stats, they can't. judging by fluff, Greater Daemons look down on Princes. While i am aware these are Daemon Primarchs in question, princes +1 in a manner, thesde are also daemon Lords (and Ka'bandha), who are Greater Daemons +1, so it scales up.

 Deadshot wrote:
@Void_Dragon
You are right of course, but its now a question whether a Daemon Prince can rival a Bloodthirster. judging by game stats, they can't. judging by fluff, Greater Daemons look down on Princes. While i am aware these are Daemon Primarchs in question, princes +1 in a manner, thesde are also daemon Lords (and Ka'bandha), who are Greater Daemons +1, so it scales up.

Judging by game stats, Angron was superior to Skarbrand before he ever ascended (Though his stats are not quite An'ggrath level).

Princes, yes, but not Daemon Primarchs. Judging by the fluff, Angron led his own personal retinue of twelve Bloodthirsters.

 Trondheim wrote:
Khorne : Kharn or Skulltaker perhaps?

Kharne is a mortal and totally inferior to the Daemons. All Skulltaker is is Khorne's glorified Herald and is going to be inferior to his Greater Daemons in both status and power.

The Anathema wrote:
Hey all,

So was talking to a friend about this...

Who are each of the Chaos God's most powerful servants?

I think it is agreed that Khorne's is Doombreed followed closely by Angron and Slaanesh's is N'Kari but not sure who is next, maybe Fulgrim?

Sorry about the spelling. Stupid small smart phone problems!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
What about Tzeentch and Nurgle?


and in addition, who sis the Empys most poweful .... Draigo?

Chaos is unreliable. The mightiest will become the weakest in the snap of a finger and all things cahnge by the flowing of time. That being said, for what it seems, I'd feel it best to not try to figure out who necessarily is the mightiest. Doombreed seems like it but then other fluff goes on about how Angron IS the mightiest as well. I personally like to think that each of the two has two gods that are the mightiest. One being from ancient times and not a marine in the slightest whilst another is a primarch or at least once was.

Not sure if this is true or if this counts or not but doesn't Malal (well... if he counts) usually prefer incredibly powerful champions over vast armies?

Doombreed has never been stated to be the mightiest Daemon Prince of Khorne.

Not even once.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
@Void_Dragon
You are right of course, but its now a question whether a Daemon Prince can rival a Bloodthirster. judging by game stats, they can't. judging by fluff, Greater Daemons look down on Princes. While i am aware these are Daemon Primarchs in question, princes +1 in a manner, thesde are also daemon Lords (and Ka'bandha), who are Greater Daemons +1, so it scales up.

Judging by game stats, Angron was superior to Skarbrand before he ever ascended (Though his stats are not quite An'ggrath level).

Princes, yes, but not Daemon Primarchs. Judging by the fluff, Angron led his own personal retinue of twelve Bloodthirsters.

Well yes, of course. Like I said, Daemon Primarchs are a stage above regular Princes, and judging by Angron's apocalypse stats he is better, but those are regular Bloodthirsters. Anngrath is a stage above them. So its really a question of who wins- Greater Daemon (Lord) or Daemon Prince (Primarch). Going by the precident set of a regular GD vs DP, I have to say Anngrath wins.

But then comes the problem that Ka'Bandha is the mightiest Bloodthirster. So does that make him superior to Anngrath, and hence, Angron?

 Deadshot wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:
Slaanesh : Lucius
Khorne : Kharne or Skulltaker perhaps?
Nurgle : Typus, or the Death Guard Primarch?
Tzeetch : Kairos fateweaver

These guys don't even come close. Sure, Kharn has sopecial favour, but he is simply incapable of causing as much RAAAGEEE and cklaiming as many SKUUUULLLSSSS as, say, a Bloodthirsters, or Skarbrand or Agron.
Lucius is nothing compared to Daemons of Slaanesh, simple.
Daemon Mortarian is certainly a competitor but Typhus is not.
Kairos could be considered, but if you consider the fact he has 2 heads is because he annoyed Tzeentch so much, then you have to look elsewhere.
.

Well forgive me then, but I see it in the way that Kharne has been around since the battle for Terra and all. And I was not aware that we all hadd to vote for Daemons either, call me soft but I prefer my bad guys to be at least partialy human as with the first three. And as for Kairos, I have no idea about the Daemon lore. Have not read the codex so I took a wild guess

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Doombreed has never been stated to be the mightiest Daemon Prince of Khorne.

Not even once.

Not outright no, but the 4th Ed codex says

Although the Daemon Primarchs are perhaps the most infamous and abhorred Daemon Princes, there are a few who are older and even more powerful. There are Daemon Princes who bartered their souls to Chaos Long before humankind left earth, brutal dictators and bloodthirsty warriors who gained power as mighty civilisations rose and fell throughout Humanity's war - torn, tortured history

And on Doombreed specifically.

Khorne was the first of the Great Gods of Chaos to awake fully, and Doomnbreed was one of the first of his servants. His true name has been long forgotten, but he was once human, a mighty warlord who led his armies that ravaged entire nations on Earth long, long ago.

It doesn't mean that he is more powerful than Angron, but he could be possibly.

 Trondheim wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:
Slaanesh : Lucius
Khorne : Kharne or Skulltaker perhaps?
Nurgle : Typus, or the Death Guard Primarch?
Tzeetch : Kairos fateweaver

These guys don't even come close. Sure, Kharn has sopecial favour, but he is simply incapable of causing as much RAAAGEEE and cklaiming as many SKUUUULLLSSSS as, say, a Bloodthirsters, or Skarbrand or Agron.
Lucius is nothing compared to Daemons of Slaanesh, simple.
Daemon Mortarian is certainly a competitor but Typhus is not.
Kairos could be considered, but if you consider the fact he has 2 heads is because he annoyed Tzeentch so much, then you have to look elsewhere.
.

Well forgive me then, but I see it in the way that Kharne has been around since the battle for Terra and all. And I was not aware that we all hadd to vote for Daemons either, call me soft but I prefer my bad guys to be at least partialy human as with the first three. And as for Kairos, I have no idea about the Daemon lore. Have not read the codex so I took a wild guess

Its not so much a case of "You must vote only for Daemons", more "You must vote for Daemons (ie, the Lords and Primarchs) because no one else can even compete with them."

For example,.you mention Kharn being around since the GC, but so has Angron, and he's a Primarch, now a Daemon as well. And then you have guys like Doombreed, who as stated by another poster, has been around since "modern" times.

 Deadshot wrote:


Well yes, of course. Like I said, Daemon Primarchs are a stage above regular Princes, and judging by Angron's apocalypse stats he is better, but those are regular Bloodthirsters. Anngrath is a stage above them. So its really a question of who wins- Greater Daemon (Lord) or Daemon Prince (Primarch). Going by the precident set of a regular GD vs DP, I have to say Anngrath wins.

But then comes the problem that Ka'Bandha is the mightiest Bloodthirster. So does that make him superior to Anngrath, and hence, Angron?

See, but that doesn't work. Angron was above normal GD before ascension. Not to mention the precedent of Lorgar(!) actually defeating An'ggrath in single combat.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Well yes, of course. Like I said, Daemon Primarchs are a stage above regular Princes, and judging by Angron's apocalypse stats he is better, but those are regular Bloodthirsters. Anngrath is a stage above them. So its really a question of who wins- Greater Daemon (Lord) or Daemon Prince (Primarch). Going by the precident set of a regular GD vs DP, I have to say Anngrath wins.

But then comes the problem that Ka'Bandha is the mightiest Bloodthirster. So does that make him superior to Anngrath, and hence, Angron?

See, but that doesn't work. Angron was above normal GD before ascension. Not to mention the precedent of Lorgar(!) actually defeating An'ggrath in single combat.

That is true about Lorgar. And Angron does beat Lorgar. Hence, Angron > Anngrath. I am converted. Fair dig mate, fair dig.

There are Chaos Eldar (who I assume would be Daemon Princes) who come above the Daemon Primarchs.

......Angron would like a word.

Da krimson barun wrote:
......Angron would like a word.

He'll get krumped.

Well having played angron vs the forge world deamon king (think he is old gareth) I.can say angron wins out about 55% of the time, but usually because I'm not stupid enough to take it on unwounded... So in those games angron is better cos he (I) am not stupid haha

Skarbrand was khorne's until he tried to kill khorne...

Also, tzeentch didn't throw fateweaver in the well of eternity out of anger, he did it out of curiosity and fear of the well himself.

 Daba wrote:
There are Chaos Eldar (who I assume would be Daemon Princes) who come above the Daemon Primarchs.

Chaos Eldar haven't been mentioned since 2nd edition, if memory serves, and there's nothing to suggest that they'd be more powerful than a Daemon Primarch in any case.

Regarding their most powerful servants, the daemon primarchs would probably be the most powerful of the gods' armies, but since they're basically never seen since ascending to daemonhood, they're not really useful in spite of their power.

GW is starting to feature them a little more in the fluff.

All of them have done something of some significance post-Heresy except Lorgar.

For khorne I'm pretty sure it's Anngrath for the thirsters now, and either Doombreed or Angron depending on who you talk you.

And just some food for thought, I'm pretty sure Guilliman defeated Angron pre-daemon, then beat lorgar, then beat the newly formed daemon angron.
Perhaps old Rouboute isn't quite the 'Girlyman" everyone makes him out to be...

 StarHunter25 wrote:
For khorne I'm pretty sure it's Anngrath for the thirsters now, and either Doombreed or Angron depending on who you talk you.

And just some food for thought, I'm pretty sure Guilliman defeated Angron pre-daemon, then beat lorgar, then beat the newly formed daemon angron.
Perhaps old Rouboute isn't quite the 'Girlyman" everyone makes him out to be...

He was holding his own against Lorgar, maybe even winning, but he was losing against Angron. Slowly, he was a Primarch after all, and he's not a pushover by any stretch but he eventually would have probably lost. Might have won, might have gone into stalemate or might even pull a Leman Russ move and have his Legion encircle Angron or shoot him down. But once Angron went full Daemon, Guilliman had no response. He had just witnessed his brother turn into a 20 foot tall raging red monster, eat one of Angrons own sons and then smash a Comtemptor Dreadnought apart without effort. Answer? None.

An'ggrath and skarbrand are the most powerful bloodthirsters and most likely the most powerful servants not named Angron...I don't have much opinion on the other Gods cause they don't matter!

 StarHunter25 wrote:
For khorne I'm pretty sure it's Anngrath for the thirsters now, and either Doombreed or Angron depending on who you talk you.

And just some food for thought, I'm pretty sure Guilliman defeated Angron pre-daemon, then beat lorgar, then beat the newly formed daemon angron.
Perhaps old Rouboute isn't quite the 'Girlyman" everyone makes him out to be...

Uh, Lorgar fought Guilliman to a stalemate in martial combat, both dealing the other grievous injuries, and Lorgar also happened to be unable to use his psychic powers to any significant effect.

Angron, pre-Daemon, beat Guilliman to the ground, leaving him crawling away.