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Hi all!

This is my first post on dakka but I've been reading threads for about a week now.
I used to collect Warhammer when I was a little kid but had no idea how to play. I recently found all my models since a few friends picked it back up as well.

I played my first game against a buddy last week with 750 point armies. I had just slapped together a quick list with about 60 Boyz and a KFF Big Mek which worked amazingly at that point level.

I'm just lookin to up my armies value since my friends regularly play at 1500.

With this list I'm aiming for a Kan wall supported by the KFF mek.
The plan is to shoot Rokkits and the Lootas Deff guns to soften up the enemy while by Boyz and close combat Deff Dreads advance until I can assualt and outnumber their troops with a huge amount of attacks and Power Klaws.

Any suggestions are welcome!

HQ 2

Ghazghkull Thraka w/ Ammo Runt. 228 points

Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field, ‘Eavy Armour. 90 points

Troops 5

19 Shoota Boyz w/ 2 Big Shootas, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole.( x3) (170x3) 510 points

19 Shoota Boyz w/ 2 Big Shootas, Nob w/ Big Choppa, Boss Pole. 150 points

Deff Dread w/ Skorcha, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates. 110 points

Heavy Support 2

Deff Dread w/ Skorcha, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates. 110 points

Killa Kan w/ Rokkit Launcha. (x3) (50 x3) 150 points

Elites 2

5 Lootas. (x2) (75 x2) 150 points


Total = 1498 points

If your looking for an efficient, tournament tier list you'll have to make a lot of changes.

If you just want a list to play your mates with, which seems to be the case, you should probably still change a little bit around. Ghaz for instance is far too pricy for what he gives you at this level. Deff Dreads are also pretty bleeh, as they die too easily and when they reach assault, they'll often face a dread with a better INT that will gib them before they even swing!

Kans should take Grotzookas IMO. Orks don't need that S8 AP3 all that much, but they can throw out so many small blasts at S6 that its just downright scary.

Finally, make the boyz blobs bigger (maybe even take a third blob) and you should drop the Nobs - challenges make Nobs pretty useless, and big choppas are already pretty bad in that setup

As an Ork opponent, I'd say that dropping the killa kanz and x4 Big Shootaz for more Lootaz would work.

Love to see another Ghazgull fan. Keep your Ghazzy, he's a monster in CC. I'd swap the Deff Dreddz for Killa Kanz, or even cut 'em out completely and grab more lootaz. Finally, make the shoota boy mobs even bigger if possible. Good luck

Drop Ghazzy for instant, a warboss with mega armour, cybork body and attack squiq is over 100 points cheaper, has a 2+/5++ and 5 attacks and 4 wounds (off the top of my head, don't have codex to hand). Killa kans aren't that great unless you kinda max out your Heavy slots with them, 3 isn't really enough as they can be easily immobilised. I try to keep my CC Deff Dread in my lists, but he just doesn't work :/ your boyz blobs need to go up so much more, 25-30 is a must, and i'd say around 7-10 lootas, keep them to 10 a unit so they can go to ground (snap firing for orks is never a problem). Also, if you really wanna take Killa Kans, swap the rokkits for Grotzookas, you have more chance of actually doing damage.

Awesome, thanks for the input everyone

I think im going to keep ghaz, he just has so much flavour and if I up the number of boyz in the squads hes putting in work just by giving them the bonuses from his Prophet of the Waaagh!

If I drop the 2 Deff Dreads I should have enough points to bring in another squad of Kans and up my shoota squads as well.

Is it worth having all 6 Kans with Grotzookas then?
I feel like its more of an anti infantry weapon which Orks already seem really good at dealing with.

Should I have a squad with 3 rokkits and a squad with 3 Grotzookas?


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So heres the new list,

I took out the 2 deff dreads, all the big shootas from the boyz mobs, and switched the rokkit launchers with grotzookas on the kans.

Added 3 more kans for a total of 6 and also added 11 more lootas to make 3 squads of 7

HQ 2
Ghazghkull Thraka w/ Ammo Runt. 228 points
Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field. 85 points

Troops 4
19 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 160 points
19 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 160 points
19 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 160 points
20 Shoota Boyz. 120 points

Heavy Support 2
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points

Elites 3
7 Lootas. 105 points
7 Lootas. 105 points
7 Lootas. 105 points

Total = 1498 points

Would people still suggest getting rid of the nobs in the 3 other squads?

That gives me another 120 points so I could have all 4 Boyz mobs with 25 models...is it worth losing the 3 Pks?

1) ork boy squads are really just delivery systems for Nobs. imo if your slogging your boyz across drop SOMETHING to give them AT LEAST 25 boyz (including nob) each. as 20 boyz can be decimated easily. (though you have a nice number of squads) also try to squeeze some points for that nob in the last squad of boyz.

Dropped a loota squad, upped the boyz to 24 in each mob and made room for a nob with PK in each. Gonna have to play test to see if dropping the lootas was a good idea.

Thanks guys

HQ 2
Ghazghkull Thraka w/ Ammo Runt. 228 points
Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field. 85 points

Troops 4
23 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 184 points
23 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 184 points
23 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 184 points
23 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole. 184 points

Heavy Support 2
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points

Elites 2
6 Lootas. 90 points
6 Lootas. 90 points

Total = 1499 Points

I like the second on a lot more boys everywhere :-)

So this is looking pretty final.
I dropped the ammo runt on ghaz and the boss poles on the nobz to open up the last 24 points pulling each boyz mob up to 25.
I figured I wont need the poles that badly as the mob will have fearless until I take a huge 15 wounds in one squad and at that point they will still have a leadership of 10

That's 100 boys, 12 lootas, 6 kans, ghaz and a KFF mek. I'm liking how it looks.

HQ 2
Ghazghkull Thraka. 225 points
Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field. 85 points

Troops 4
24 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw. 185 points
24 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw. 185 points
24 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw. 185 points
24 Shoota Boyz, Nob w/ Power Klaw. 185 points

Heavy Support 2
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points
3 Killa Kan w/ Grotzooka. 135 points

Elites 2
6 Lootas. 90 points
6 Lootas. 90 points

Total = 1500 Points

it looks very nice, what i'm about to say is a personal opinion of course, but I really feel iffy about using characters of Ghazzys stature (the guy's a living legend!) in games of small ish size. in my eyes at least, it's not only impractical (he's incredible at bigger games where your opponent is likely to invest more in his warlord) but also a bit unfluffy, and for me at least one of the best things about mini wargaming is making/kitbashing your own warlord how you want to play him.

But i'm certainly not telling you how to play, Ghaz is incredible after all!
Loving the list, Shoota boyz for sho'! Though could you drop a kan group for some Nobz with a wagon/trukk, to make Ghazzy's unit a bit more focused?

Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'm sold on Nobz in trukks, since I definitely wont have points for a BW AND Nobz if I only cut 135 points.

Plus they'll be faster than the rest of the footslogging army and kans...at work right now and don't have my codex, I'll definitely look over the point costs when I get home though.

I'd kick the Kanz and woefully kick ghazzy and just fit in as many lootas as you can,

Just a little update,

So I played a game with this list against an IG 1500 list. It was a crusade game type with 5 objectives.

I ended up winning on turn 6 with 3 objectives, he held two and took first blood with his tanks on one of my kan squads so final score was 9-7 for me!

Woohoo!

What I found however, even on a 4'x4', was that footslogging is slooooooow as . The kans did an amazing job taking fire and the KFF was putting in major work though so I had a huge number of boys left by the time I got to objects in mid as well as assault range. But for me, it seemed way to slow for that to be happening on turn 3.

I've played with this list a bit and thought about peoples suggestions to add in a Nob squad as troops to benefit Ghaz a little more.

Here's what I'm thinking so that I can get into assault by turn 2

HQ
Ghaz w/ Ammo Runt 228
Big Mek w/ KFF 85

Troops
17 Boyz, Nob w/ PK + BP 148
18 Boyz, Nob w/ PK + BP 154
8 Nobz w/ Painboy, PK + Shoota-Rokkit kombi, PK + Shoota-Skorcha kombi, PK, BC + BP, BC + Shoota-Skorcha Kombi, BC, 1 with no upgrades 300

- Dedicated transport
Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Grott Riggers, Big Shoota 135

Elites
12 Lootas 180

Heavy
Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Grott Riggers, Big Shoota 135
Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Grott Riggers, Big Shoota 135

Total = 1500

Ghaz goes in the BW with the 17 Boyz and Nob making 20 (b/c of his mega armour) and the KFF Mek goes in the BW with the 18 Boyz and Nob.
The 8 Nob squad gets their own as a dedicated transport, I didn't put them with Ghaz to try and spread out my opponents priority fire a bit.

Thoughts?

Sounds excellent!