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Hey guys I've got about 15 matches under my belt now, so I'm starting to realize which units suck, and which are good from my dark angel codex. Here is my attempt to bring a bit of competitiveness to my list, let me know how you guys think it would work.

HQ: Sammael on jetbike

Librarian in terminator armor

Elite:
8x Deathwing knights in a land raider with multi-melta
8x Deathwing Knights
Troop:
6x Ravenwing Attack squadron 2x meltagun 1xattack bike with multimelta
6x Ravenwing attack squadron 2x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta
4x Ravenwing attack squadron 1x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta

The idea would be that one squad of DWK sticks with the librarian who can prescience them the entire game, while the other is in the land raider.

hmm
I think you would be better off w/ w 3 5 man units of DWK if possible. I also suggest dropping the attack bikes and replacing the plasma guns w/ meltas, (wait, what points lvl is this?) I am not sure prescience works on melee attacks, but I may be wrong. also, the best RW are black knights if you drop the meltas you can fill out your squads to 6 each w/ melta guns. I would suggest droping the lib and taking a RW command squad with banner of devastation to give your TL bolters from the bikes that double hitting power. or, banner of fortitude and keep them with your DWK for 5+ fnp on the T5 units

This would be at 2000 points with 1 FOC, 3 of the DWK may be better, because whatever they manage to get into assualt with usually dies terribly quickly, so 8 of them may be overkill. Let's say I did this. Also prescience should work on melee attacks, I see nothing that says it shouldn't. Also, why do you think I should drop the attack bike, to me they're the best unit in the squad points/production-wise, not to mention they can break off from the rest of the ravenwing to be another scoring unit. I also like to keep the plasma because of rapid fire S7. What do you think about this Raiden?

HQ: Sammael
Librarian in terminator armor
4x Ravenwing Command Squad 1x grenade launcher, 1x ravenwing champion, 1x dakka banner

Elite: 6x deathwing knight in a LR with multi melta
5x deathwing knight

Troop: 6x Ravenwing Attack squadron 2x meltagun 1xattack bike with multimelta
6x Ravenwing attack squadron 2x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta
4x Ravenwing attack squadron 1x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta

2k points exactly.

Second list is better but never take plasma in a RAS. Ever. Look at the points for a black knight then the points for a plasma gunner in an RAS. Then look at their rules.... yeah. I like RAS with melta when you are using the Dakka banner for sure, but plasma is just a waste on regular bikers. And I'd be tempted if I were you to put the banner on a terminator command squad, drop them in the LR with the libby, then flank the tank with your full RAS squads. I don't know how many twin linked shots that is (Bolter banner affects hurricane bolters as well) but I think it counts as 'a lot'.

Don't have my book with me but I'd say drop the 2nd elite knight squad for a DW command squad with the libby and the banner. Put them in the LR. Give sam a RW command squad. Doesn't really need a banner or a champion just the grenade launcher. Two maxed out RAS all melta. Then just add however many deepstrike DWK you have points left for. My 2c

Unfortunately they FAQ'ed it so that a command squad inside a vehicle does not benefit units outside the vehicle, so that tactic doesn't work quite so well.


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HQ: 4x RWCS with grenade launcher, and dakka banner
Librarian in termie armor w meltabomb
Sammael on jetbike
Elite: 5x Deathwing knights
6x Deathwing knights in a land raider crusader w/ multi melta
Troop:
6x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 2x meltagun serg with meltabomb
6x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 2x meltagun serg with meltabomb
4x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 1x meltagun serg with meltabomb

drop 1 DWK and up your RWCS to 5. also, give them an apothecary, its totally worth the points. 1 5+ fnp and boom you made 12 points back.


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and at T5 you will be getting FnP on most everything

That faq only hit the power field generator, far as I know, bolter banner still works fine.

What about FNP banner, can a land raider be a mobile FNP base for a deathwing army?

Its either the dakka banner or the FnP banner unfortunately

Well, let's say I put a deathwing command squad in a land raider. does everything in 12 inches of the hull of the land raider have feel no pain?

i think it ll be a tough army to beat. I run a similar terminator plasma heavy list with space wolves.

For aoe effects you measure from the hull of the vehicle.