All-Round Space Marine Captain

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Kster809**

Hey guys. I'm in the process of making a Space Marine army (Will be painted as Angry Marines, but will be using the standard ruleset, just with lots of emphasis on close combat)
Here's my plan for the captain that I plan to use, any tips or advice on things to change will be much appreciated

Captain Krazimad
Wargear: Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Relic Blade, Combi-Plasma boltgun, Hellfire Ammo

**Brometheus**

Probably needs to be in Tactics.

Primarch's Wrath would be better than Combi-Plasma because it is more angry.

**Rupertrampton**

Change relic blade to burning blad!

**Kster809**

Thanks, will post the next advice thing in tactics next time.
What is Primarch's Wrath? It sounds badass. Forgive me for not knowing, I haven't got Codex: SM yet... I just looked at guides and stuff to choose the wargear.
A burning blade would actually be pretty badass. Also should I consider upgrading him to a chapter master for larger battles (2000+ pts)?

P.S. How would I model a burning blade?

**Mr.Omega**

Eternal Shield, Thunderhammer, maybe Digital Weapons or Artificer Armour. Turns the otherwise crappy HQ tax into a 3 man Hammernator Squad only with a few less attacks.

Relic Blade is pretty much pointless now its only AP3, but I see some merit in running the Burning Blade, providing you took Artificer.

**FlingitNow**

There are 2 good builds for a Captain (both are improved by putting him on a bike) they are:

Shield Eternal, Artificier Armour, Thunder Hammer

Burning Blade, Storm Shield, Artificier Armour

Both are improved further by making him a Chapter Master on a bike. The only other build really worth considering is:

Teeth of Terra, powerfist, artificier armour, bike

With 4 attacks base and 5 on the charge with an extra d3 if out numbered you use him solo and plow into soft targets and butcher them. This is more a fun build but fits angry marines as he's a solo mentalist.

**Kster809**

How about this?

Captain Krazimad

Wargear: Artificer Armour, Digital Weapons, Storm Shield, Burning Blade, Primarch's Wrath, Iron Halo

**FlingitNow**

Primarchs Wrath is only worth it if you're on a bike. Its completely pointless otherwise and really poor for a CC guy on foot.

**Kster809**

Due to the model I'm using for a base, I can't put him on a bike... So should I just give him a combi-plasma with hellfire ammo instead?

**Lotus**

If you're going for close combat, I'd strongly recommend the following on your Captain:

Bike, Artificer Armor, Power Sword (or Burning Blade if you have the points), bolt pistol, and no other options.

Basically points efficiency is key with characters like this. Storm Shield is usually great, and its worth it for 15 points if you don't already have an invuln save. However he already has an Iron Halo which is a 4++ and he'll still get the bonus +1A from 2 CC weapons. Digital Weapons can be good. That one I'm torn on, but usually it's best to save the points as if he gets into CC, he's probably winning anyway.

The bike will prevent him from getting ID'd by power fists, and the burning blade + bolt pistol will give him striking at I5 with a lot of attacks (burning blade and bolt pistol is still +1A) at S7 AP2, which is quite insane. Also, the bike will allow him to close into CC much faster. Plus, it'll open bikes as troops which is in and of itself insanely good. Lastly, if you have the points a Chapter Master might be worthy upgrade over a Captain because of the +1A, +1W, Orbital Bombardment, and access to Honor Guard (and their Chapter Banner for even more attacks). However getting Honor Guard to work in a competitive environment is a feat unto itself as they'll need a delivery mechanism and most likely some way of getting an invuln save.

**Kster809**

Once again, I can't take a bike, because of the model I'm using to build my captain (An old beakie SM model)... I can add most things, but I have to take a sword (Old metal model, sword built in), and a boltgun... I can upgrade the boltgun and add stuff like halos, etc

**juraigamer**

I recommend taking power fist/ lightning claw and then either artificer armor or the relic armor. If you take the relic armor, it lets you act like ghazgul, which is the angriest ork.

**Desubot**

How are you taking hellfire ammo?

Anyway

The obvious stuff:
Artificer armor
Iron halo stock

Since you cant take a bike to increase your ID thresh hold, I would start with a shield eternal for EW and a Thunder hammer for concussive (over a power fist)
Then give him a Combi- as you wouldn't benefit from a second specialist weapon (Storm shield)

**Kster809**

How about this then?

Angry Captain Krazimad
Wargear: Artificer Armour, Burning Blade, Shield Eternal, Iron Halo, Combi-Plasma

I can't take a Thunder Hammer I'm afraid, the model I'm using has a sword moulded-in, and it's metal, so I can't get rid of it

But from you guy's advice, this seems okay... I hope?

**Desubot**

Its K. Tough I think the debate about more than 1 chapter relic on a single HQ is still raging (i lost tabs on that one)

So you need to chose between tanking wounds like a boss, vs having AP2 at int5. Im guessing your going black Templar for angry marines? If so just make it a power sword as you rend in challenges anyway.

**Kster809**

Not planning on using Black Templars, planning to use the standard ruleset because I feel it's a bit more flexible... Just going to make a lot more emphasis on CC... Will make a proper decision when I get the codex. Should I take a relic blade instead of the burning blade?

By the way, my plan is to lump this guy with a command squad or with some tactical marines, so he can shoot his bolter but still bring a bit of pain with his CC weapon...

**Desubot**

Relic blade makes you Initiative 1 for i think 2 extra St while still being ap 3 IIRC. its fairly weak sauce.

Stick with the Burning blade so long as you don't fear getting ID by St8

**Kster809**

Not too scared of ID, I mostly play friendly games so this guy should be a monster in them... I'll probably model it to have power sword, and say whether it's a burning blade or power sword depending on the circumstances

**FlingitNow**

Power sword us a poor weapon I would never take it. Flat out the worst power weapon.

**Kster809**

Okay, this is what I think should be best.

Angry Captain Krazimad
Wargear: Artificer Armour, Burning Blade, Storm Shield, Iron Halo, Combi-Plasma

I chose a storm shield over a Shield Eternal to cut some of the points cost off... This guy costs a lot

**raiden**

I dont see why you can't take 2 relics, its one of said relics per chapter, unless its beenFAQed yet. it gives marines that extra oomf imo, I mean, you can take 2 DPs with black mace and 1 with AoBF and no one complains :/

**Kster809**

I'll take the Shield Eternal then... Thanks everyone

**Desubot**

There is a Giant thread floating around somewhere that hasn't fully been resolved IIRC. but lets not drag that here.

Make two lists and ask if its ok with your opponent or TO or whatever just in case.

**CDRAlbrecht**

Hellfire Ammo cannot be taken by Space Marine HQs anymore.

Relic Blades are not Unwieldy; they do not bust the wielder down to I1. They are also not terrible, but there are arguably better choices, especially for HQs.

My advice to the OP: Get the codex.

My advice to posters giving incorrect information: Get the codex.

**Kster809**

Will do my friend. Thanks to all of you for all of your good advice, you all really helped

**Rupertrampton**

my chapter master, burning blade, artficer amour, 205, with 8 honor guard one with hammer to take the challenges, hq kills squads etc, squad retreats...

Automatically Appended Next Post:
oh and one guy in squad takes chapter banner, and they go in a storm raven 605 points death star..