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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 12:26:42
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Courageous Grand Master
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The title is pretty much self explanatory.
At a recent mini FOW tournament I attended, 19 out of 20, yes, that's 19 out of 20 players were armies of the 3rd Reich. In most cases, they were SS lists. The only non-German list was my own - a grenadier guards armoured company with elements of the 82nd as infantry.
Now, I'm the first to admit that German lists are usually good, tiger tanks are fething brilliant in my view, but wherever I seem to go these days, it's all German. Most of the popular WW2 books/documentaries these days are on the Germans.
What's the reasoning for this? Do people want reliable armies to command? Are there lots of closet Nazis out there? Or are we just simply fascinated with villains as we generally tend to be with films and other books - Darth Vader, The Joker, etc etc
Finally, at least I can't be accused of Godwinning this thread!
Thoughts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 12:32:59
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Civil War Re-enactor
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Or are we just simply fascinated with villains as we generally tend to be with films and other books - Darth Vader, The Joker, etc etc
I don't play any WW2 TT games, but the reason I dig the Germans in general is because of this. That simple.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 12:49:04
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Courageous Grand Master
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fishy bob wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Or are we just simply fascinated with villains as we generally tend to be with films and other books - Darth Vader, The Joker, etc etc
I don't play any WW2 TT games, but the reason I dig the Germans in general is because of this. That simple.
I know the Soviet Union were on the allied side, but you could (and I will  ) argue that they were pretty villainous, and yet, they don't seem to be that popular (in my experience anyway) when it comes to the mini-wargaming community.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 12:53:16
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Civil War Re-enactor
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: fishy bob wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Or are we just simply fascinated with villains as we generally tend to be with films and other books - Darth Vader, The Joker, etc etc
I don't play any WW2 TT games, but the reason I dig the Germans in general is because of this. That simple.
I know the Soviet Union were on the allied side, but you could (and I will  ) argue that they were pretty villainous, and yet, they don't seem to be that popular (in my experience anyway) when it comes to the mini-wargaming community.
Soviet was certainly villains. They killed more than Nazi Germany. But they mainly killed their own people, and we're fine with that
As for them not being as popular among WW2 gamers... High infantry model count?
Edit: Just for the record I dig Soviet too. Germany, Italy and Soviet are my main WW2 points of interest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 13:25:58
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I know the Soviet Union were on the allied side, but you could (and I will  ) argue that they were pretty villainous, and yet, they don't seem to be that popular (in my experience anyway) when it comes to the mini-wargaming community.
Actually the Soviets started out on Germany's side, in the first few years of the war. Stalin and Hitler signed a non-agression pact, which involved splitting the territory of Poland between them and a trade agreement (Russian oil etc). Russia also took the opportunity to invade Finland. It wasn't until a couple years later, when an overconfident Hitler decided to invade Russia in an attempt to seize control of its vast natural resources that the Soviets were forced to join the Allies.
So Russia was initially our enemy, but was forced to join our side when Hitler betrayed them. A fact often conveniently overlooked, among many other things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:00:53
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Courageous Grand Master
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I know the Soviet Union were on the allied side, but you could (and I will  ) argue that they were pretty villainous, and yet, they don't seem to be that popular (in my experience anyway) when it comes to the mini-wargaming community.
Actually the Soviets started out on Germany's side, in the first few years of the war. Stalin and Hitler signed a non-agression pact, which involved splitting the territory of Poland between them and a trade agreement (Russian oil etc). Russia also took the opportunity to invade Finland. It wasn't until a couple years later, when an overconfident Hitler decided to invade Russia in an attempt to seize control of its vast natural resources that the Soviets were forced to join the Allies.
So Russia was initially our enemy, but was forced to join our side when Hitler betrayed them. A fact often conveniently overlooked, among many other things.
I know!
Point is, you don't see that many Soviet lists these days. It was mentioned by an earlier poster that infantry heavy lists would put people off, but at 15mm scale, it's easy to rattle out the infantry squads, and if you run a soviet tank company with Joseph Stalin heavy tanks, then the points will add up. Nah, there's something at work here!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:02:05
Subject: Re:Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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In all war games, people are going to pick the bad guys to play. And from an aesthetic standpoint much of the German equipment is very striking.
To do any type of war-gaming you have to ignore the context a little bit. You don't spend a lot of time thinking about the actual misery inflicted on human beings when the real life thing you are recreating with toy soldiers actually happened. You have to be OK with a certain level of that as a prerequisite for this hobby. On the other hand, I can totally empathize with someone who wouldn't participate in the hobby because they feel the context can't or shouldn't be completely separated. I heard plenty of people express dislike for Battlefront releasing their Vietnam version of Fow. It still hits too close to home for many Americans. It can be a complex issue to parse if you think about it.
But when someone breaks out the their SS army, with their SS token set, their SS dice, and their SS dice bag. Well I HOPE that they're just decontextualizing too much, and not realizing the unfortunate implications. Unfortunately, there are a few of those guys that probably know exactly what they are doing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:05:00
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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I've never seen a 40k army in person using Swastikas.
However, in a WW2 game, it would be completely appropriate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:08:18
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Civil War Re-enactor
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kronk wrote:I've never seen a 40k army in person using Swastikas.
However, in a WW2 game, it would be completely appropriate.
I swear that I've seen a Nazi Guard army on the webz, so I googled, and this nugget came up.
Edit: Sorry, missed your "in person". Well neither have I, but there certainly are some out there.
Edit 2: For what it's worth, I put the image in spoiler tag because precious delicacy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:13:45
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Seriously a Fow event where the majority were Germans?
I see mainly 2ID, Brit para, US para!
I think the reason FoW has a lot of nazi stuff is that it's set in WW2 and in every theatre they cover the nazi are in it (except rising sun!)
It's economical to be axis as you can use the force on the east/West/Italian/African fronts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:13:56
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Courageous Grand Master
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fishy bob wrote: kronk wrote:I've never seen a 40k army in person using Swastikas.
However, in a WW2 game, it would be completely appropriate.
I swear that I've seen a Nazi Guard army on the webz, so I googled, and this nugget came up.
Edit: Sorry, missed your "in person". Well neither have I, but there certainly are some out there.
 Sweet baby Jesus! Automatically Appended Next Post: CaulynDarr wrote:In all war games, people are going to pick the bad guys to play. And from an aesthetic standpoint much of the German equipment is very striking.
To do any type of war-gaming you have to ignore the context a little bit. You don't spend a lot of time thinking about the actual misery inflicted on human beings when the real life thing you are recreating with toy soldiers actually happened. You have to be OK with a certain level of that as a prerequisite for this hobby. On the other hand, I can totally empathize with someone who wouldn't participate in the hobby because they feel the context can't or shouldn't be completely separated. I heard plenty of people express dislike for Battlefront releasing their Vietnam version of Fow. It still hits too close to home for many Americans. It can be a complex issue to parse if you think about it.
But when someone breaks out the their SS army, with their SS token set, their SS dice, and their SS dice bag. Well I HOPE that they're just decontextualizing too much, and not realizing the unfortunate implications. Unfortunately, there are a few of those guys that probably know exactly what they are doing.
Good post. Automatically Appended Next Post: Reaver83 wrote:Seriously a Fow event where the majority were Germans?
I see mainly 2ID, Brit para, US para!
I think the reason FoW has a lot of nazi stuff is that it's set in WW2 and in every theatre they cover the nazi are in it (except rising sun!)
It's economical to be axis as you can use the force on the east/West/Italian/African fronts.
I agree with this - the fact that the Germans are the main enemy in the European threatre would account for a large number of German lists, but given how cheap and how popular the FOW starter box was, I'm slightly surprised that more people don't run lists based on the Allied contents of the box.
US paratroopers are probably my favourite infantry these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:17:38
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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kronk wrote:I've never seen a 40k army in person using Swastikas.
However, in a WW2 game, it would be completely appropriate.
I have, we had a Jewish guy at my old store that had a Nazi themed army complete with a Hitler Company Command Squad leader. We also had an Iwo Jima themed Imp Guard army when the CCS looked like the flag raising at Iwo Jima when you set them up properly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:21:50
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I've seen some images on the inter-webs, of course. But I honestly don't think it's that common place to be called "popular", like in this thread's title.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:23:13
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Can we spoiler tag the images with swastikas? Just a consideration of those of use that browse the site in semi-public locations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:26:00
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Multispectral Nisse
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I think it's a similar reason to why Romans are popular in ancients and the French in Napoleonics - they have a sense of perceived greater power, they often look visually better (well, moreso than their contemporaries), and their ubiquity across all areas of their respective wars means that there's just more written about them, more interest in them and more models made of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:33:35
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I think it also has to do with looks. Their tanks look cool, uniforms look cool, they have those cool trenchcoats and they have skulls. Perfect for any wargame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:38:22
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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I think you're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to generalize it. That tournament you went to was crazily skewed towards SS. That's very much an fluke - FoW's Late War period is skewed much more towards Americans at the moment. Germans are a little on the backfoot because American rules/lists are so good. If there's any reason I can think of, it's that SS lists in FoW get you Fearless Veteran Germans (in comparison to most German lists which are Confident Veteran) and that the guys at Battlefront seem to believe the propaganda that the SS were superhuman soldiers that got all of the Reich's best material. The reason why you'll see so many Germans in WWII games is, quite obviously, because the Germans were essentially the ubiquitous enemy of the European conflict. And it's the conflict in Europe/Africa that gets all the cools toys that gamers want - tanks, halftracks, airplanes, etc. Soviets in FoW at the moment are underpowered - the Hen and Chicks rule really screws them over. Red Bear just had an update that lowered the points cost of Soviet stuff to reflect just how poor the Soviets are doing. But, yeah - there's a definite population of gamers that looks at SS stuff and thinks 'Oh man, that's so kewl! Gonna have a whole army of that!' I try to avoid people like that. There's a difference between acknowledging you're using SS troops due to a scenario, and thinking they're cool to collect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 14:41:30
Subject: Re:Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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I find that people tend to have a romantic view of the German Army of WW2 especially the panzer divisions, I have not only seen this in historical miniatures but in 40K I have seen people make Imperial Guard armies based off German WW2 units but usually they leave out the Swastika. If you look at the Imperium of Man it can easily be seen as a resemblance to Nazi Germany and I think may people have come to that conclusion. With many people who lived through Europe during the rise of Hitler and WW2 and vets from the war many of them have passed away so the impact of WW2 to the future generations would be less than say the older generation and tend to be a little more forgiving of the German forces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 15:15:33
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Speaking purely as someone with very little interest in (especially 15mm) ww2 gaming: the German tanks just look that much nicer.
And yes, I am much too shallow for historicals
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 15:31:12
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Riquende wrote:I think it's a similar reason to why Romans are popular in ancients and the French in Napoleonics - they have a sense of perceived greater power, they often look visually better (well, moreso than their contemporaries), and their ubiquity across all areas of their respective wars means that there's just more written about them, more interest in them and more models made of them.
Never understood why the French are more popular than the British in Napoleonics when you consider the British success rate against the French. Maybe British people are fed up with being British! Automatically Appended Next Post: Necros wrote:I think it also has to do with looks. Their tanks look cool, uniforms look cool, they have those cool trenchcoats and they have skulls. Perfect for any wargame.
I'm the first to confess love for the Tiger tank, but damn it, the British had greatcoats and they had the Sten! Is there a better looking weapon than a Sten or even a Bren? Not in my book! Automatically Appended Next Post: Bolognesus wrote:Speaking purely as someone with very little interest in (especially 15mm) ww2 gaming: the German tanks just look that much nicer.
And yes, I am much too shallow for historicals 
I've always liked the look of Shermans, myself, and that funny looking Italian flamethrower tank. The name escapes me! Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpha 1 wrote:I find that people tend to have a romantic view of the German Army of WW2 especially the panzer divisions, I have not only seen this in historical miniatures but in 40K I have seen people make Imperial Guard armies based off German WW2 units but usually they leave out the Swastika. If you look at the Imperium of Man it can easily be seen as a resemblance to Nazi Germany and I think may people have come to that conclusion. With many people who lived through Europe during the rise of Hitler and WW2 and vets from the war many of them have passed away so the impact of WW2 to the future generations would be less than say the older generation and tend to be a little more forgiving of the German forces.
Good post. I do believe that when Rick P et al conceived 40k in the 1980s, the harsh, futuristic Nazi-style universe was what they had in mind, but I'm pretty sure the Imperial Guard were based on Soviet Infantry. Automatically Appended Next Post: infinite_array wrote:I think you're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to generalize it.
That tournament you went to was crazily skewed towards SS. That's very much an fluke - FoW's Late War period is skewed much more towards Americans at the moment. Germans are a little on the backfoot because American rules/lists are so good. If there's any reason I can think of, it's that SS lists in FoW get you Fearless Veteran Germans (in comparison to most German lists which are Confident Veteran) and that the guys at Battlefront seem to believe the propaganda that the SS were superhuman soldiers that got all of the Reich's best material.
The reason why you'll see so many Germans in WWII games is, quite obviously, because the Germans were essentially the ubiquitous enemy of the European conflict. And it's the conflict in Europe/Africa that gets all the cools toys that gamers want - tanks, halftracks, airplanes, etc.
Soviets in FoW at the moment are underpowered - the Hen and Chicks rule really screws them over. Red Bear just had an update that lowered the points cost of Soviet stuff to reflect just how poor the Soviets are doing.
But, yeah - there's a definite population of gamers that looks at SS stuff and thinks 'Oh man, that's so kewl! Gonna have a whole army of that!' I try to avoid people like that. There's a difference between acknowledging you're using SS troops due to a scenario, and thinking they're cool to collect.
Leaping to conclusions without the facts and generalizing things, is par for the course on Dakka. You should know that by know!
But yeah, fair points. Maybe with Japan getting its day in the sun with FOW (no pun meant!) we might see the popularity of Japanese armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 15:56:30
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Multispectral Nisse
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Never understood why the French are more popular than the British in Napoleonics when you consider the British success rate against the French. Maybe British people are fed up with being British! 
Mainly ubiquity. Across Europe, people get together to fight Napoleonic battles, which were usually France vs. someone. So regardless of which theatre of the conflict you're recreating, someone has to be the French!
Also, whilst the British were largely successful against the French in specific locations, for a relatively small period, they would have been unable to fight the French on land across all fronts of the war(s) across the whole 20 year period. This is why France is perceived as the more powerful, as the French were able to compete against multiple foes on multiple fronts for decades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:07:20
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Some of it has to do with whatever is the winningest at the moment. You see this very often in MMO type games, where a player will quickly jump from class to class depending upon which is the most powerful at the moment. Its the same thing just played out upon on the table top. These players don't care what their character or army is or the history behind it or any of that stuff, they just know its the best right now.
Some of it has to do with the mystique of the villain. I think a lot of it has to do with the perceived overall power that the German army represented during World War 2. I mean after all these are the guys who had to be ganged up on by America, Great Britain, and Russia to be defeated. And they are also extremely iconic - show anybody a picture of an SS stormtrooper and they can tell you exactly what they are looking at.
I don't think that any of it has to do with being a closet Nazi or anything like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:09:08
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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I've seen similar trends in FoW (our current campaign is about 75% German, mostly Grenadiers though) but it seems to largely be because they are regarded as one of the better in-game armies in exactly the same way 75%+ of 40K players are Marines of some sort.
It works for me though as my US Paras always have an opponent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:09:13
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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To be fair, in Flames, when you play Germans and get the minis you have more options than anyone else as to which lists you want to play. There's pretty much a german list in every period that can do anything except for infantry super-blobs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 16:14:36
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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You also can't forget that FoW is split into different Eras.
Right now the Japanese are all the rage in Early War (and before that the BAR was clubbing everyone over the head before it was nerfed to death).
Mid War is probably the most balanced between the Brits and Germans in Africa and the Soviets and Germans (and allies) on the eastern front.
Late War is dominated by the Americans from the Bulge books.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 18:35:18
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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If I was playing FOW I would probably pick Brits as my first choice and then Germans as my second to appose them.
I think the fact the Germans are quite a strong force to have and that people tend to like them aesthetically probably and that they are in the starter set helps increase the number of people playing them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 19:11:12
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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From my understanding Axis are a bit disadvantaged compared to Allies at the moment in Flames of War, so if they were attempting to power game they were doing a terrible job.
I think its really a combination of several things...
1. Cool toys: Tiger tanks, assault rifles, jets, V2 guided rockets, and all sorts of other interesting equipment is a well known part of the Germans. That will always draw players no matter the system.
2. People like to play the "bad guys". Pretty self explanatory, although a lot of people forget not all Germans were mustache twirling Indiana Jones villains. Not really much to say about this.
3. Cool looking stuff: say what you will, German uniforms have a lot of variety and styles, and (Disclaimer: I am not a Nazi) the SS ones in particular have a huge amount of cool camo patterns. For people that like to paint, Germans offer a ton of possibilities and options to keep from getting boring. Plus it doesn't hurt that the Wehrmacht have some of the most modern looking uniforms and the amount of tank camo schemes is truly staggering.
4. They want to be "2edgy5u": I honestly think these guys are in the minority, but we've all met that one "Hitler did nothing wrong!" guy. Most German players I've met hate the Nazi imagery and tend to avoid Nazi symbols or markings wherever they can.
I play Hungarians in FoW (Minor Axis power that fought the Russians) and Germans in Bolt Action, so I'm pretty familiar with some of the stereotypes people put on German players. I play Germans because the power struggle and political intrigue the Germans went through is really interesting to read about. that, and the fact that any army could hold out as long as the Germans did with such an incompetent and meddlesome leader had to have some serious skills. I've been reading Grey Wolf (flames of war eastern front axis book) and the amount of meddling Hitler did in his officers' planning is insane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 19:13:41
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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German tanks look much better than most of the allied tanks IMO - that is the reason I would choose one force over another. Unless I could get a British list filled with Churchill variants
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 19:25:09
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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+1 for the gorgeous and monsterous tanks. I play germans for all the amazing looking (although generally poor ingame) toys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/04 19:32:55
Subject: Why the all the popularity/fascination with the 3rd Reich in mini-wargaming?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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kronk wrote:I've never seen a 40k army in person using Swastikas.
I've seen one IG army, but everything with them on it(flags/banners mostly) were swappable to a more acceptable Imperial Aquila.
I played against it in 3rd with my Mechanized Guard and face rolled it. It was a pretty fun game for us both, actually.
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