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How would you guys rate this list on a scale of 1 to 10.
1 = Non-competitive play, gaks and giggles
10 = Tournament winning, game breaking

Note: Not interested in list editing/advicing. Just opinions and evalutations (rating) on strengths and weaknesses

1999 Pts - Blood Angels Roster - Descent of Angels

HQ:
1 Librarian in Power Armour, 125 pts (Jump Pack; Force Sword; Warlord)

Elite:
4 Terminator with Lightning Claws, 200 pts
1 Sergeant with Lightning Claws

3 Sanguinary Priest in Power Armour, 240 pts (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs)

Troops:
7 Assault Marines, 240 pts
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1)

7 Assault Marines, 240 pts
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1)

7 Assault Marines, 240 pts
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1)

Fast Attack:
1 Sergeant (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs), 350 pts (Equip with Jump Packs)
2 Vanguard Veteran (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Power Fist x1; Storm Shield x1)
2 Vanguard Veteran (Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Power Sword x1; Storm Shield x1)

Heavy Support:
1 Dreadnought, 120 pts (Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)
1 Dreadnought, 120 pts (Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)
1 Dreadnought, 120 pts (Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

Total Roster Cost: 1995

It's cool and can win you some games but don't expect too much from it... (I'd rare it as a 6 maybe?)

First of all, Terminators. If you're footslogging them, you WILL need at least a couple of TH/SS combos. 3 TH/SS + 2 LC's is a good solution.

Priests: make those 2 attacks base and WS5 count. Give them PW's.

Vanguard Vets are not that great and should be kept relatively cheap. Maybe give up on the SS's on swordsmen? A small squads need their attacks. Or leave one Dreadnought at home.

Speaking of which, Fragioso is a great First Blooder in a DP. Concider.

Thanks but not looking for suggesitons just review/rating. I appreciate the comments

why woundt you want help making your list better? do you not have the models?

Vanguard are too pricey. Also assuming you deep strike the terminators they are gonna spend turn Sucking up ap1/ap2 and relying on 5+invulns to keep them alive so a couple of storm shields wouldn't go amiss. Id rate it a 4 right now but with adjustments its got the basis of a 7 or more

ninjafiredragon wrote:why woundt you want help making your list better? do you not have the models?

Doesn't matter why, i'm simply not.

warren0110 wrote:Vanguard are too pricey. Also assuming you deep strike the terminators they are gonna spend turn Sucking up ap1/ap2 and relying on 5+invulns to keep them alive so a couple of storm shields wouldn't go amiss. Id rate it a 4 right now but with adjustments its got the basis of a 7 or more

Thanks for the review.

warren0110 wrote:
Vanguard are too pricey. Also assuming you deep strike the terminators they are gonna spend turn Sucking up ap1/ap2 and relying on 5+invulns to keep them alive so a couple of storm shields wouldn't go amiss. Id rate it a 4 right now but with adjustments its got the basis of a 7 or more

yes dont bother giving advise because apparently this guy doesnt want any way to make his list better.
makes no since, but its his choice.

You should see his BL list! Makes this one already look like a 7!

terminators are weak with BA for one reason. speed, speed is the BA best friend. think about getting a libby naught, possibly drop the vanguard for a sternguad w/ corbulo and I think you may make a 7. as it stands atm. 5-6.

Eh, I'd rate it a 2 or so.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
You should see his BL list! Makes this one already look like a 7!

Stalker much?


Any how thanks to everyone else who answered the thread properly. Seems this theme is regarded slightly stronger than some of the others

2-3

Pretty good but:

1. I would drop the Vanguards for some sternguard in a drop pod, maybe 2 meltas but don't put powerfists.

2. If your guys have power fists theres not a huge point in having melta bombs.

3. I would switch the Autocannon dreads and give them some more close up shooting and combat. Maybe a assault cannon and a flamer fist.

With a few tweaks you can make this list some much better, but its a good start. Make sure you've got some Anti Tank and Anti Horde and Anti Termies.

EDIT: 6/10

Before I rate this army it would be good for you to explain how you plan to use it?

My best guess:

I guess the single non JP priest is going with the terminators which means they are walking. (Will be lucky to see combat)

The Libby is prob with the vets which I understand will buff there CC making the small number work. (Glass hammer imo if they don't kill on the charge they will prob get stuck or swept)

The dreads are there I guess for AA and ranged support. (Possible first blood targets positooning is key but I'm all for autocannon dreads shame that mortis dreads are DA only)

Rating with the way I think you will use this army depends on what your meta is.

Casual meta 6/10
Comp meta 2/10

It a great attempt at a BA list shame BA is tough codex to make competitive.

I edited the list to make it easier to understand, AB output seemed to be confusing a lot of people, hopefully now it'll be clearer.

I'd give it a 5.75 / 10.00

Hq - perfect.

3 assault squads all with melta - strong (would probs be ok with just 2 priests covering the 30).

Termis - weak (need upgrades to th/ss and transport, deepstrike is pants for them, atm they have no synergy with the list).

Dakka dreads - weak (every other dread in the dex is far better, 360pts for 12 autocannon shot on fragile walkers is a lot of points that will dissapear quickly, if you want an autocannon spam, take guard allies for added durability and more firepower).

Vanguard - weak (massively overcosted, i'd just stay away from them).

You have a good backbone but the rest of the units are overcosted picks or have no synergy with the rest.

A 3 or a 4, leaning towards 3.

The Power Fists on Sergeants are bad in my opinion. Power Weapons are cheaper and get the job done. Anything you need a Power Fist against you don't want your Sergeant facing anymore. Hurray Challenges... I'd stick with Power Swords and Meltabombs on the Sergeants instead.

Again, only 30 troops at 2000 points is risky. At least these ones are mobile and have FNP.

And you spent too many points on your Vanguard Veterans. You need to keep them cheap and cheerful. I wouldn't include Meltabombs on them, since that's not what you want to use them for. They are a throw away unit.


And most importantly: Hopefully your three Dreadnoughts will survive your first turn. If not, you will lose the game at the end of your turn if you are going full on DoA.

Thanks for the rate and review

I'd recommend dropping the Vanguard completly, or if you insist on having them, just give them Melta Bombs, so they can DS, assault straight away, and hopefully dispose of a vehicle in the process.

You want TH/SS your Termies, at least 3:2 ratio to TH/LC is good.

I'd give it a 4, too few troops. Everything else seems solid, though the termies seem out of place.

Thanks for the rate and review