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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 10:47:19
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Ok time for what if this nearly impossible scenario happened, how would it play out? (Noting is impzzible in for'y k!). So I'm taking the four biggest Swarm armies in the galaxy.
Tyranids(swarm lord)
Imperial Guard(creed/yarrick)
Necrons(imotekh)
Orks (gazgkhull)
Who would win?
Now hear forces first of all have everything they have.
Imohtek has all his 200 words and necrons resurrected
Gazghkull thraka has all the orks in the universe
Imperial guard have only the guard (no marines) but they have all their military power
Tyranids have all their fleets alive currently plus behemoth ressrected
Right now let's say there's a planet big enough to support all these races.
Each race has its own fluff amount of vehicles creatures men and space fleets.
This is ridiculous but I'd like to see who you it's think it would play it out.
(My ending would be a void whale comig and everything)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 11:13:11
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Well the tyranids would avoid the Necrons and go for IG for easy biomass as their first move.
Necrons, not being stupid probably engage the orcs to deny the Tyranids that biomass. Have a hard time seeing orcs beating Necrons.
Then it would be down to a battle between nids and necrons. My money would be on the necrons seeing as the nids cannot get more biomass from them and the necrons wouldn't be bothered about destroying biomass to starve the nids either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 11:16:42
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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It would just turn into a battle between Orks and Nids, given that there are so many of them, it would take months/years for the battle to take a significant toll on any of the 4, and the replenishing rates of those two over the other two would just beat them down in a battle of attrition if nothing else. Also, an Ork Waggghhhh that big (that would happen) would be scary, very scary. The other implication is of the Hive Mind, we don't know how powerful it actually is, could it be so powerful that it could just mind nuke everything on the planet in one go due to being so close to them?
Guard don't have a chance at all, there ammo, food and bodies are finite, whereas the nids is also finite, but as long as there are guard, orks and the planet down there, they are going to carry on spawning. The guard are also screwed without the imperial navy being present, again, the nids can in theory take them out from orbit - even if they don't have a ship, they could build one out of the planet itself, the orks can also theoretically build space craft on the fly as well, because well, they are orks and their meks are nuts and can build anything out of any scrap.
The Necrons could hold out for a long time, but I think the tombs on the world would eventually be overwhelmed.
So, yeah, ork or nids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 11:23:30
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Taking this as everyone is fighting everyone at once, no waiting for stuff to kill each other off. And its a ground battle.
Tyranids Win.
The only threat to themm would be the necrons the other 2 would be biomass to harvest. It be a war of attrition and numbers alone mean necrons stand little chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 15:50:53
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Imperium. That many high-profile xenos has exterminatus written all over it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:01:13
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Norn Queen
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Gazghkull thraka has all the orks in the universe
And thats the end of the fight right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 17:43:19
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Ratius wrote:Gazghkull thraka has all the orks in the universe
And thats the end of the fight right there.
Yep.
Even the Stormlord can't defeat that many, not without resorting to the Celestial Orrery to destroy the local star, and the closest dozen stars.
The Nids? There are a lot of Nids. There aren't that many Nids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 19:48:58
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Wing Commander
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Orks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 19:57:14
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Ratius wrote:Gazghkull thraka has all the orks in the universe
And thats the end of the fight right there.
Agreed. This amount of Orks would out-number even the tyranids 2-1, the imperium 5-1 and got knows how many to 1 necron warrior. No one else stands a chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/06 20:01:52
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Ratius wrote:Gazghkull thraka has all the orks in the universe
And thats the end of the fight right there.
Agreed. This amount of Orks would out-number even the tyranids 2-1, the imperium 5-1 and got knows how many to 1 necron warrior. No one else stands a chance.
Not only that but we also will see this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/07 07:41:15
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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Every.....Ork......in the universe? How could there even be a debate over this. Its pretty much a kown fact and sated in the rule book that if all the Orks united, that's it for everyone else. The point is that it would never happen though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 11:59:18
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Hold on, he said hive fleets currently alive. Does that also include the ones that are outside our galaxy? and dont forget that the bugs can easily eat up all that orkeoid biomass and perfect their ork killing abilities as well as regenerate their ranks. Gaunts take very little time to replace. And remember, just cuz gazzys there doesnt mean the orks wont succumb to infighting and such. And if gazzy dies the whole WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGG would turn into an ork-on-ork slugfest for control, further thinning their ranks. Nids may have a shot, especially if they can get gazzy down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 23:32:20
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Sure, but you could say that for almost any leader, except the tyranids because of the hive mind. If the commander dies, then things start to fall apart. Orks atleast can recover semi quickly by finding out who is the biggest, rather than squabble over rank and such.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/08 23:42:28
Subject: Re:Th swarm battle
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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I'm surprised there isn't more guard love. You guys forget that while the cluster  is happening and the most bloody battle ever is taking place, the guard are arming their many, many MANY artillery tanks. Hell if it's all of the Imperial guard then there is enough artillery to literally split the planet in half. Basically a mini exterminatus. Hell we would simply send in the men, tie up and distract the bulk of your armies then destroy the very ground you're fighting on. Tell me the guard wouldn't
Lastly a basic layout of land would be helpful i.e Valhalla ice world, catachan death world, Hive world, deamon world? It could be anything and they would all effect the outcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 03:21:59
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Heroic Senior Officer
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How big is this planet? Because i cant imagine it being possible to fit just on of these races on one planet. Personally i think the guard will win. They pack the ordinance, man power, rigid command structure and if all the guard where there you got billions of worlds all with their regiments different stregnths and weapons. Their only major threat would be the tyranids but it from what i read tyranids main advantage is suprise, an element i doubt they will have in this situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 10:35:13
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Guard will win. Marbo is sent down as a distraction. The Guard nuke the planet from orbit. Marbo survives because he is that bad***.
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Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 12:22:53
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Wing Commander
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watchamacarcess wrote:You guys forget that while the cluster  is happening and the most bloody battle ever is taking place, the guard are arming their many, many MANY artillery tanks. Hell if it's all of the Imperial guard then there is enough artillery to literally split the planet in half. Basically a mini exterminatus. Hell we would simply send in the men, tie up and distract the bulk of your armies then destroy the very ground you're fighting on. Tell me the guard wouldn't
And you forget that the greenskins love themselves some dakka. Whatever firepower the Guard brings you can bet that the Orks will match... until you realise that the Orks outnumber the Guard, vastly. And then there's the fact that the IoM is dependent on STC manuals and complex, time consuming, quasi-religious rituals in order to use all that firepower, whereas the Orks are happy to slap a practically unlimited number of contraptions together, on the fly and able to cannibalise anything they get their hands on in the field, too.  And I can tell you now whatever the Guard are willing to do regarding friendly fire the Orks have them beat in that, too... in fact in this mega throw-down Orks would probably kill more of their own than the other factions, and still win.
TC already answered that in the OP; big enough.
Not at all, he just knew where to find the fridge freezer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 12:35:28
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Morphing Obliterator
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Orks.
Tyranids come close.
I don´t think the Imperial Guard or a single Necron dynasty stand a chance. All humanity (Chaos and Imperium) and all Necrons would be another question.
And about bombing things from orbit: all factions can do that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 15:08:46
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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Tyranids would win. Their numbers are far greater than even the Orks. They are as deadly a threat to the Imperium as the Orks or even worse and the vast majority of the swarms have not yet reached the galaxy. Guard have too many threats to deal with to destroy any single one threat. Necrons are powerful but divided and dwindling in numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 15:17:25
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Orks > nids
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 19:01:41
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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The tyranids are one giagantic swarm whos main mass hasn't even reached the galaxy yet! The huge fleets already encountered are just their 'scout' fleets, testing the galaxies defences. They have galaxy upon galaxy worth of biomass and the milky way is just the next galaxy on their route of complete devestation. When they hit the galaxy, nothing short of all the races standing against them will prevent them from steamrollering everything in the galaxy. This is all GW fluff, I haven't made it up!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 19:39:07
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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GW fluff never says how many, if many at all, galaxies they have taken. It never says that it would take all the races to defeat them, it does say, however, that if ALL the orks united they WOULD steamroll the galaxy, all united against them or not.
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
Purge the Unclean |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 19:55:01
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Wait quick question. Do the Orks get Blue?
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Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 19:56:09
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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yes, they always have blue. now, never bring that up here again.
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
Purge the Unclean |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 22:12:57
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Raging Ravener
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After a relatively brief time, it would be orks vs nids. Now here is where it gets difficult to call- orks spawn via spores in their blood growing in the ground. Nids biomanufacture from consumed mass. There will eventually come a point where it is an infinite loop of respawns as the gestation time of orks and the creation times of the Nids continually replenish their respective ranks. I feel like the Nids would eventually win out though. Orks is orks with very little variation/evolution. Nids are basically able to evolve at will based on their situation and would probably end up with a way to neutralize the ork repopulation ability (in my minds eye i envision ripper swarms in the ground that consume the spores or genetic toxins rendering the spores inert) as well as devoting more time/ energy to breed whatever species ends up killing the most orks the most efficiently. It would be a ludicrously long war though, I'm thinking hundreds if not thousands of years. And after the Nids consumed all the biomass from the orks, they would be indescribably more powerful than they were previously, so hopefully the other races got their s**t together and took this singular opportunity to rain whatever flavor of exterminatus the races have, otherwise its game over for everything
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/09 23:13:10
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Cambonimachine wrote:After a relatively brief time, it would be orks vs nids. Now here is where it gets difficult to call- orks spawn via spores in their blood growing in the ground. Nids biomanufacture from consumed mass. There will eventually come a point where it is an infinite loop of respawns as the gestation time of orks and the creation times of the Nids continually replenish their respective ranks. I feel like the Nids would eventually win out though. Orks is orks with very little variation/evolution. Nids are basically able to evolve at will based on their situation and would probably end up with a way to neutralize the ork repopulation ability (in my minds eye i envision ripper swarms in the ground that consume the spores or genetic toxins rendering the spores inert) as well as devoting more time/ energy to breed whatever species ends up killing the most orks the most efficiently. It would be a ludicrously long war though, I'm thinking hundreds if not thousands of years. And after the Nids consumed all the biomass from the orks, they would be indescribably more powerful than they were previously, so hopefully the other races got their s**t together and took this singular opportunity to rain whatever flavor of exterminatus the races have, otherwise its game over for everything
1 problem, with all the fighting going on, the orkz that live will all eventually hit warboss size.. A big warboss can take on a CM, A hive Tyrant, hell, just about anything. except Dante and Calgar lol. but orks grow FASTER than nids do. also remeber, if nids LOSE a fight, then they lose that biomass, same for orks being eaten. also, Orks have a strange way of making other armies shiny bits work for them  . eventually we will have ork warbosses riding carnifexs into battle. or, ork warbosses that are the size of a large house. as the more an ork fights (and lives) the bigga, greena, and tougha he gets. ya geet et ya git?
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Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/10 00:47:11
Subject: Th swarm battle
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orks just win no question about it.
tyranids might evolve but orks got mad doks and big meks!
it is only a matter of time after fighting tons of tinboyz and giant bugs before one of those invents a big can of bugspray
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/10 01:43:58
Subject: Th swarm battle
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I won't cast my vote. I just want to buy front row seats with lots of popcorn. It would be a pretty great battle to watch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/10 02:05:51
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Ork tech gets better the more.Orks.there.are and the larger the threat they face, ork tech at this point would make crons wince
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/10 03:12:34
Subject: Th swarm battle
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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raiden wrote:GW fluff never says how many, if many at all, galaxies they have taken. It never says that it would take all the races to defeat them, it does say, however, that if ALL the orks united they WOULD steamroll the galaxy, all united against them or not.
It says galaxies, as in plural. This is one galaxy, they have the biomass of more than one galaxy. More than one galaxy > one galaxy. And errrr yes it does say nothing short of the galaxy standing against the tyranid threat could stop them. I've been reading up on tyranids quite a lot since I bought their first dex back in '99 (I think), and I know for sure this has been stated. I was hooked on the race ever since I read a story in that dex of a lictor hunting down a guard squad one by one as if from a horror movie. Just because you have not personally seen that stated does not mean it isn't in the fluff.
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