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HQ:
Mephiston

Elites:
2 Sanguinary Priests with jump packs
Chaplain with jump pack

Troops:
10 man Assault Squad, two Melta guns
10 man Assault Squad, two Melta guns, fist
10 man Assault squad, two Melta guns, fist
10 man tactical, Flamer, missile launcher, rhino
10 man tactical, Flamer, missile launcher, rhino

HS:
Devestator squad, 3 missile launchers

Fortifications
Aegis Defense Line, Icarus Lascannon

Tacticals combat squad. ML squads stay at home while Sarge+Flamer rides in the Rhino. Priests can ride along or fly with the two assault squads with fists, while the Chaplain goes with the squad without a fist. Mephistopheles flies around and shoots things.

Any questions, concerns, "this list is bad" from Dakkaers? MY only concern is that someone will get sneaky and kill Mephiston first turn for First Blood and Slay the Warlord. I know I have a distinct lack of Plasma but that stuff is pricey and I'd rather have more boys than toys. Melta is just as good right?

look, the chaps suck, drop it, drop the ADL, you are better off just fitting in a storm raven. drop the PF off your assualt sgt, put it on the sang priest. grab 3 for each of your assualt squads or none at all imo, corbulo is your friend man, not sure how I would fit him here though so you can leave him out. if your taking devs take 4 heavy weapons. its only 10 pts. imo drop the tacs and rhinos for more assault squads.

I have the Defence line and the Devestators so that's what I planned on using, it's only 5 pts more, but I don't own a Storm Raven. With the unit built the way it is, I can use the Signum on the Bolter squad member that's manning the Lascannon so it hits on 2s.

I understand it's in your opinion, but why would you rather have an assault squad that's useful as one unit, in close combat, where as the tactical squads are two units that lend good ranged fire support and one can claim an objective in midfield and hold it while the other claims a home deployment objective. While the three assault squads clear objectives in their deployment zone, claim them and Linebreaker.

So if I drop the Chaplain (and give the third assault sarge a PF) what should I spend the 100 pts on?

 bocatt wrote:
I have the Defence line and the Devestators so that's what I planned on using, it's only 5 pts more, but I don't own a Storm Raven. With the unit built the way it is, I can use the Signum on the Bolter squad member that's manning the Lascannon so it hits on 2s.

I understand it's in your opinion, but why would you rather have an assault squad that's useful as one unit, in close combat, where as the tactical squads are two units that lend good ranged fire support and one can claim an objective in midfield and hold it while the other claims a home deployment objective. While the three assault squads clear objectives in their deployment zone, claim them and Linebreaker.

So if I drop the Chaplain (and give the third assault sarge a PF) what should I spend the 100 pts on?

I suggest getting a raven asap, as a ADL kinda limits your mobility. also look into a mech list as BA, it can work decently well. your tac squads will be out ranged by almost all other enemy firepower. so wont lend much.

you can spend that 100 on upping your ML devs to LC devs, or. purches two sang priests for your tac squads making them that much tougher.


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plus rhinos are an easy first blood for enemies.


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I like tacs, but, they are only really good in certain lists, and those lists are usually sallys or smurfs. or IF.

Ok... where to start.

Devs are trash. Especially ML Devs.

Drop the Chaplain. No point.

Rhinos are overcosted. Get rid of these too. The Tac Squad loadout is silly too. Take Plasmagun Lascannon.

Get rid of Fists on ASM. You have 2 Meltas and the Assault Marines are gonna die when the hit assault anyway.

Drop the ADL. It has no place in your list. Get a Stormraven.

Overall, this needs a lot of work. Its not very competitive right now.

Lucarikx

I disagree, LC devs are usually overlooked by the enemy who are more worried about 3-4 units of assault marines w/ PF sangs and power weapon Sgts.

flamers can work well with tacs as they are a completely free upgrade, ML can work as well but its meh. I like the tac loadout because its pretty cheap.

I agree on the ADL though, completely.

I just don't like to take more than 1 tac squad per BA army.

Okay so:

Storm Ravens are awesome

Spam Assault marines

Don't take Devs

Should I take a unit of scouts or is it worth it to take one squad of tacticals with LC and Plas? If so, should I put the plas squad in a las plas razor?

Put one Sang Priest in each Assault squad. Should the sarge or the priest get the fist? They're the same price, the priest just has higher WS and it makes a big difference who has what when a challenge is issued.

Is it worth it to take Death Company? Maybe a big unit with a chaplain in a Land Raider or the Storm Raven?

DC -can- be useful but not in normal "competitive" lists, I always put my fist on the priest, and a power maul or axe on the Sgt.

only take devs for LC.

Okay, so what about a list like this:

HQ:
Mephiston

Elites:
Chaplain
Brother Corbulo
Sanguinary Priest w/ Jump Pack and Powerfist
Sanguinary Priest w/ Jump Pack and Powerfist
Sanguinary Priest w/ Combi Plasma

Troops:
10 man ASM, two Melta guns, power weapon
10 man ASM, two Melta guns, power weapon
10 man Tactical, plasma gun, combi plasma, plasma cannon, Razor with Las/Plas
10 man Death Company

HS:
Storm Raven.

Idk what weapons to put on the Storm Raven.

TL AC and TL LC are fine

I still say drop the chap.. your losing FnP benefit on half your tac squad if you combat squad.

overall it lookes OK, but your not utilizing corbulo's tankyness well enough. no large threat unit to put him in.

DC in the stormraven to clear objs T3ish.

Chaplain and Corbulo go in Stormraven with DC. Corbulo eats overwatch fire and challenges while DC and Chaplain smash apart the unit. Consolidation after assault puts Corbulo at the front to eat shooting again before next charge turn 4, 5 and so on.

The plasma squad with plasma priest goes in the Razorback to try and get in Rapid fire Plasma range of something scary. (6 plasma shots should take a Termi squad down a notch) Plasma cannon squad, I don't really care about. If it kills some stuff, awesome. If it survives to claim a home objective at the end of the game, even more awesome.

that sounds nice but.... wasting the FnP boon with that. possibly replace with a vanguard squad?

@raiden - I have noticed your a big fan of corbulo!

My experience which is little is that he dies very easy if you stick him out front. I played against a BA army with my DA and insta gibbed him with a bunch of CML shots first turn.

FnP is useful but 6th a lot of army's bring a lot of high strength shots I wouldn't advise putting all my eggs behind a rule that can easily be countered.

2+ look out sirs man, he is there to tank the small stuff, but he cant take the str 8. he has to let them pass by lol. I love putting him in my sternguard unit, specially if my opponent has a vehicle heavy back field

That's why he's my overwatch/challenge monkey. Allows the Chappy and 10 DC to do their work. Simply ridiculous numbers of attacks, hits and wounds. And Corby's not too bad in a challenge himself. Str 5 (I5?) WS5, rending, like 3 attacks and that 2+ FnP

4. has 3 base +1 for 2 CCWs

I think your original list was better than the DC one. Lots of eggs in that Stormraven. And each turn the Stormraven is off the board, Meph is going to take every shot thrown his way.

And I will go against the crowd and say 1 priest per squad is superfluous. If you have the extra points, I guess its ok but 1 priest can easily cover 2 assault squads.

If I just swap the Chappy in JP for a Libby in JP in the original list, would it be better? I was thinking I could roll both powers on uh... Telekinesis? The one with the 4+ invuln bubble, and try and get that, cause 4+, 5+ FnP marines are almost as durable against a hell drake as normal 3+ marines are against anything not AP3. And if they don't have all those ignore cover shenanigans, I can always take Shield of Sanguinius.