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I was browsing through my 2 codices and after playing a pure ravenwing for so long decided I wanted to try splashing a bit of the better bikes into my ravenwing. Thus creating this first list

Primary:
HQ:
200 Sammael
145 Librarian w/ Bike, Lvl 2, Displacer Field
215 Ravenwing Command squad w/ Banner of Devastation, GL, Apothecary

Troops:
236 6x Ravenwing attack ssquad w/ 2x Melta, Attack Bike w/ MM
236 6x Ravenwing attack ssquad w/ 2x Melta, Attack Bike w/ MM
236 6x Ravenwing attack ssquad w/ 2x Melta, Attack Bike w/ MM
181 6x Ravenwing attack ssquad w/ 2x Melta

Fast Attack:
80 Ravenwing Darkshroud

Allies: White Scars

HQ:
250 Chapter Master w/ Eternal Shield, Thunder Hammer, Bike, Artificer Armor

Troops:
145 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav
145 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav

This is a solid base to be sure, still lacking that anti air that people pressure me on. I haven't had much trouble with helldrakes myself personally. A billion and a half twin linked shots to the drakes ass and it falls out of the sky even with bolters. Standard setup, join CM into my command squad to soak wounds for the banner not to get shot to crap. Start Sammael in a squad of scars to give them scout if I need to, if not just have him be ablative wounds in the command squad also. May instead run the allies as iron hands even, not sure on that one just yet.

Then the thought struck me. How does my Dark shroud affect allies. The Icon of old Caliban rule is DA only go figure, but The shroud of Angel's ability is any FRIENDLY model. This got me thinking that would give a scars unit a base 3+ cover save for moving 2+ for turbo boosting. So I made a scars based list with DA allies to see how that may do. Here is that list

Primary: White Scars
HQ:
250 Chapter Master w/ Eternal Shield, Thunder Hammer, Bike, Artificer Armor
125 Kor'sarro Khan

Troops:
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM

Heavy Support:
200 Storm Raven w/ TL Las, TL melta
65 Whirlwind
65 whirlwind

Allies: Dark Angels
HQ:
120 Librarian w/ Lvl 2, Bike

Trops:
95 5x Tactical Squad w/ Las Cannon

Fast Attack:
80 Darkshroud

What do you think on both lists Dakka. Help me figure out what I may want to do differently for this one. Also I know I should take TF cannons over the whirlwinds, but points were touchy on that one so it was either one cannon or 2 WW and I prefer the idea of scars fluff for everything has to keep moving.

If you are fielding bike and dark angels black knights are a must. More black knights in both lists.

I like Black knights, the second list can't take them because they are a fast attack slot which takes away the dark shroud. The first list I could take them, but would probably drop the banner of devastation then seeing how it doesn't benefit Black knights. Reason I didn't put them in list one is because mass bolters seem to keep the hordes at bay better than any WW or Thunderfire. Could run a Banner of fortitude and try that I guess to

You could take a Ravenwing command squad and a darkshroud in an allied detachment though.

oooo I like this idea, let me modify some stuff really fast.


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Primary: White Scars
HQ:
250 Chapter Master w/ Eternal Shield, Thunder Hammer, Bike, Artificer Armor
125 Kor'sarro Khan

Troops:
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM
200 5x Bike Squad w/ 2x grav, combi grav, attack bike w/ MM

Heavy Support:
200 Storm Raven w/ TL Las, TL melta
65 Whirlwind

Allies: Dark Angels
HQ:
150 Librarian w/ Lvl 2, Bike, Power Field Generator
230 5x Ravenwing Command Squad w/ Apothecary

Trops:
95 5x Tactical Squad w/ Las Cannon

Fast Attack:
80 Darkshroud



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something more like this list you think?

If it were me I would put da first. 2 full rw attack squads with attack bikes and speeders. Sammael and black knights x2. And darkshroud. Then chapter master with 2 bike squads with attack bike and storm raven or talon. Then heavy put your whirlwind or just scratch it

take a RW command squad instead of the 2nd black knights, (its cheaper)

Only downside I see to that is yes I have a ton of plasma and such, but what would that do against horde. Honestly with all the grav gun in the list I don't really need plasma / toughness lowering shots also. I need some type of mass wounds system where the command squads help me in making the stuff easier to wound with the rad grenades, it still needs more that 2 squads of 12 twin linked shots to eat a squad of gaunts / ork boys