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So this is pretty much rail.... against the machine...

In other news I hear that to make the fuel for the rockets on that weapon the Tau pulped the entire first printing of the upcoming IA book.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think it's the best looking of the three weapons.

Without a doubt. I think it looks great. Love the missile barrage thing.

Not bad at all, but I still rather the Tri-Pulse weapon
Quite better than the Nexus missile, though.

As wrong as it feels, I want that gun. Might look good in Farsight Red.

 chalkobob wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

The rules are pretty good too! You can fire both modes at the same time!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

Spoiler:

The heavy rail cannon array comprises two weapons which may be fired simultainously:
-
Heavy rail cannon
Range 120"
Strength D
AP 1
Ordnance 1, Blast (3")
Mass-induction targeting*
-
Cluster shells
Range 36"
Strength 6
AP 4
Apocalyptic Barrage (4), Pinning

*Mass-induction Targeting:
When firing against Super-heavy or Gargantuan targets, roll
twice on the Destroyer Weapon Attack table, and pick the higher result.

The rules for this "suit" are bonkers. It is a gargantuan creature, so safe against poison and snipers, its freaking T9, 10W, 2+/4++ (against shooting), BS2 overwatch. For 600 pts. WTF.
Scabbiethrax is only T9 6W

The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

Tu'na getting a hike? Good to hear!

 chalkobob wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

The rules are pretty good too! You can fire both modes at the same time!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

Spoiler:

The heavy rail cannon array comprises two weapons which may be fired simultainously:
-
Heavy rail cannon
Range 120"
Strength D
AP 1
Ordnance 1, Blast (3")
Mass-induction targeting*
-
Cluster shells
Range 36"
Strength 6
AP 4
Apocalyptic Barrage (4), Pinning

*Mass-induction Targeting:
When firing against Super-heavy or Gargantuan targets, roll
twice on the Destroyer Weapon Attack table, and pick the higher result.

Of course you can, has anything written for that big ugly POS been remotely balanced lol. Sorry, getting big anime Tau suit fatige myself

damn dup post.

 BrookM wrote:
Tu'na getting a hike? Good to hear!

I dunno, looks rather ugly to me. This ridiculously huge gun on a pathetically tiny platform and that cluster thing that looks like it just toppled and is in a process of falling apart is too much anime even for Tau.
Also I'd have to agree - the default weaponry is still simply better in most situations.

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Will barely miss more than a single shot weapon against Super heavies. Vs a Knight/Wraithknight, which are pretty much the smallest Super heavy/Gargauntuans, the blast will land on the base somewhere between 58% and 72% of the time (variance is due to the oval base, 58% would be if the base was a circle with 105mm diametre, 72% if it was 170mm diametre), when taking into account the BS 4 of the Tau'na and the 1.5" of leeway gained by the blast marker. With the use of one markerlight, this goes up to between 72% and 83%. A single shot weapon will hit 66% of the time at BS 4 and 83% at BS 5 with a markerlight. So a blast is slightly less accurate than a single shot, but only against a target as small as a Knight. Against any larger Super heavy, like a Baneblade, it becomes more accurate with the same investment. I don't see your logic.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

 Haighus wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Will barely miss more than a single shot weapon against Super heavies. Vs a Knight/Wraithknight, which are pretty much the smallest Super heavy/Gargauntuans, the blast will land on the base somewhere between 58% and 72% of the time (variance is due to the oval base, 58% would be if the base was a circle with 105mm diametre, 72% if it was 170mm diametre), when taking into account the BS 4 of the Tau'na and the 1.5" of leeway gained by the blast marker. With the use of one markerlight, this goes up to between 72% and 83%. A single shot weapon will hit 66% of the time at BS 4 and 83% at BS 5 with a markerlight. So a blast is slightly less accurate than a single shot, but only against a target as small as a Knight. Against any larger Super heavy, like a Baneblade, it becomes more accurate with the same investment. I don't see your logic.

Your right. I was thinking about this more in the shower. You know combined with its rockets I think I might see this as my default gun for the Ta'unar. Glad I ordered one already. The rockets really sell this with apocalyptic barrage 4 since they allow it do basically fire on both modes of the default pulse ordinance array at the same time and at any targets I want. Yeah it's not as strong as the barrage mode of the pulse array but it's still potent anti-infantry firepower to stop most targets. The more I think about it the more I like it. It's also the coolest looking weapon for it.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

It's almost like the next non-HH book has Tau in it or something.

;P

Legends speak of a new IA book that includes Tau and Mechanicus in it. Ive been waiting for it for ages. I think it is just a myth though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

More like "massively over-nerfed finally". People may have complained enough to get it nerfed, but as long as 750 point turbolaser Warhounds exist it's not a justified nerf.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

This. Titans being broken is a separate issue and two wrongs do not make a right.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

It's almost like the next non-HH book has Tau in it or something.

;P

Legends speak of a new IA book that includes Tau and Mechanicus in it. Ive been waiting for it for ages. I think it is just a myth though.

It's delayed to next year. GG.

The gun itself looks cool, but the way it's attached to the frame is what's lacking. I'd rather a big generator thing on the opposite shoulder than a cluster missile launcher; a railgun of this size feels like it should be significant enough to take up both shoulders.

EDIT: Might look good if it replaces one of the arm mounts, though.

Rumor has it that the Fires of Cyraxus was delayed until next year because they want to get Adeptus Titanicus out asap.

Never understood the complaints against the Ta'unar, I've seen it used twice and both times Draigo and his Paladins beat it to death.

 Imateria wrote:
Never understood the complaints against the Ta'unar, I've seen it used twice and both times Draigo and his Paladins beat it to death.

The Dice Gods care not from whence the blood flows, only that it does

Even with your best buffs, a dice roll can pan out badly, so mithering about having to face one is a bit pointless really IMO.

Man... if people are salty about the Taunar getting nerfed, the salt will flow when the Y'vahra's cost increases. That is the real OP model for Tau at the moment.

I own one and feel guilty every time I field it. There is no way it goes to print at its current experimental point cost.

I agree that the Y'vahra needs a points bump. I bought one because it looked cool, and was shocked by its power level.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=4070859

Leman Russ Saturday morning!!

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

LOL, it needs a points hike. Anything that takes 40 Lascannon HITS to down for 600 points is just stupid. Math: T9, so Lascannon wounds on 4+, suit has 4++ against shooting, so...40 hits=10 unsaved wounds.

You forgot that it is gargantuan so it has FNP.

Althornin wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

LOL, it needs a points hike. Anything that takes 40 Lascannon HITS to down for 600 points is just stupid. Math: T9, so Lascannon wounds on 4+, suit has 4++ against shooting, so...40 hits=10 unsaved wounds.

If Lascannons are your go to weapon for dealing with Titan level enemies (and I mean Titan, not Imperial Knight) then you're doing something wrong.

Besides, you're better off with Grav as you're wounding on 2's.